November 27, 2022


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Preppers LIVE: The Preppers Medical Handbook

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DB and family. What is up James Walton here? Preppers LIVE very interesting. Preppers LIVE for you tonight. We have a William Forgey with us of The Preppers Medical Handbook, which you’ve heard a lot about here at PBN, as of late a great book, great author, a tremendous resource to have on tonight with The what it is we’re going to talk about and kind of what it is we do here at the Prepper Broadcasting Network Jordan Smith is with us. For those of you who don’t know who haven’t caught the last and most recent episode of a family affair, Jordan is back so excited to have Jordan back in the lineup consistently on Saturdays.

1 (1m 24s):
I know she was missed and a man is going to be good. I might actually, I might actually plead to be on a family affair. I haven’t been on in a while. Anyhow, a big show tonight, a lot of stuff to talk about. I want to talk about one thing first, before we get going. And that is the grindstone ministries fall raffle. Okay. So for those of you who follow us very closely, you know, about disaster coffee, you know, that we donate a portion of profits to a variety of causes. One cause is the five Oh one C3 known as grindstone ministries, which is the charitable effort of bear.

1 (2m 7s):
Independence a YouTube channel and website bear Independence. And their goal is to basically build an intake facility. I’m sorry to build a chapel at an intake facility for victims of human trafficking. And they’ve been working on that for, I think, a year or two years now, actually. So one of the ways outside of our donations in and other people’s donations that they’re raising money for this fall event, is there going to have this grindstone ministries fall raffle? I want to bring it up cause it’s twofold. Number one, it’s a great cause. Okay. Number two, the raffle itself is filled with tons of awesome stuff and I wanted to let you know all of what’s available.

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So the way the RAV4 works, it’s a $5 contribution to get an entry. I don’t think, I think entries unlimited. So you can, you can buy as many raffle tickets as you like. I think I probably should have did some due diligence on that one, but this is what you’re playing for a PBN family. It’s not bad. So you get a, a Buffalo handle knife. The winner, the winner will receive a Buffalo handle knife soap from hero soap company, which I’ve had in, in my day. And it is hit some serious soap. And for those of you who know me, you know that I am a chef. I have a weak, a weakness for handcrafted well-made soap.

1 (3m 35s):
So you’ll get soap from the hero’s soap company, a collapsible camp stove kit, Oh, you’d get the old fart survival guide by Ron foster, which is great. A swag bag package from sanctified supply company. If you’re not familiar with sanctified supply company and they great a Christian centric t-shirts and hoodies really cool stuff. A lithium core Glock pistol slides, red roof, arms Glock chest rig and mag carrier, same brand red roof, arms AR 15 mag carry a blue Mark lasering beholden to no man air mag carrier Bramlin tactical sling.

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I’m still going exclusive bear Independence patron hoodie, blazed defense fire suppression device, a the bare Independence Cub kit pro, which is an for kids. Pretty cool amendment one preparedness ultimate Prepper camo package amendment one preparedness plate carrier with plates, very hot item at the moment LA police gear pack brain bucket by Billy ballistic helmet and Katrina grows wings, which is a book by Tanya Bulger for kids. Oh, and I just sent him three bags of disaster coffee, which will be also included in the fundraiser.

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So go to grindstone If you’re interested in getting a shot, somebody is going to win all that stuff. I mean, not, not only are you given to a good cause, but God, you’re going to walk away pretty well outfitted for a lot of things, a $5 entries worth any one item on that list, to be honest with you. I mean, even the soap. So anyhow, head on over to the grindstone, and contribute. And if you want to make it a continual thing, you can set up a continual donations or you can just be a disaster coffee on a regular basis. And that money goes to a, goes to the grindstone ministries as well. All right.

1 (5m 42s):
Yeah. That, that’s just part of what we do. Okay. That’s a big part of disaster coffee. It’s a mission right now. And it’s also a huge resource. I mean, it took me probably two minutes just to read out all of the awesome on that raffle. Don’t think I’m not putting super tickets in on that raffle. Although it would be kind of weird if I won I’d feel weird, but anyhow, it is what it is. So without further ado, let’s get everybody else involved. William say, hi Jordan, say hi, please. If you guys don’t mind,

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Hi doc here, failures. William Jordan

1 (6m 23s):
Must’ve stepped up because she is No, no, no, that’s fine. All right. So I think the best way to set to lay the base here William would be to, you know, because those have bought those who have bought the book, those who have read the book, those who have did their due diligence on a book, they know that it is, it is by an MD, but they probably don’t know the full extent of what that means when it comes to your personal experiences before the show, you, or telling us a little bit about how, what you’ve done and your history, you know, kind of runs parallel with the prepping world.

1 (7m 6s):
So if you could lay that on us, I think that’d be a big deal.

2 (7m 10s):
Well, I’d be happy to do it. You know, I’m a late bloomer as a physician. I, after graduating from college, I went into The. I listed in the army. And so I entered the army in August of 1964. And as you know, the Vietnam war was just beginning to expand. I ended up spending 30 months in Vietnam. I received a commission. The infantry spent 30 months in Vietnam, came back as an instructor, the JFK center for special warfare for six months. And at that point I was really finished with my obligation. I stayed in the active reserves, but I was done with the active military service.

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And I went into medical school in grad schoolwork and obtained my MD in 75. And I mentioned before the show, and I was always proud of the fact that it was actually elected as a fellow, the explorers club and New York city before I got my MD. And that was because I was during that time that I was back in the States after Vietnam, I spent in my vacation time and during my study times in grad school, times up in the Arctic a lot. And as I was doing a lot of work and to get into that organization, you have to do something no one else has done before, as far as your travels and you have to write about it. And I was very active in this cold weather work and camping and very bitter circumstances and actually had a love for the Arctic.

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So I ended up writing a book in 1979 called wilderness medicine and what I was running into the issues in these remote areas on ships lasting in a month or more, you need it to bring certain supplies or a minimalist amount because of the weight and cost a factor in a bulk factor. But to, to really handle all the issues that you came into a, and, and particularly you run into problems. If you were homesteading or building the cabin, are you still have to work with what tools they, you know, the, of the types of injuries become more complex and more apt to happen. And, and I was, you know, working with people, living in these remote areas and that don’t have evacuation.

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So basically living off Sigrid and I became a real expert in that I was eventually became president of the world is the medical society. And in year 2000, I worked with a whole raft and it was on the boards of many of wilderness education type organizations that dealt with training people or remote leadership and working. And I also took on working overseas on doing Medical service missions, primarily in Haiti, where I’ve made over 40 trips spending at least a week at a time working in a remote mountain villages. So my, my experience in and working in austere environments with limited resources is quite extensive and it’s actually a parallel.

2 (10m 12s):
So the issues Preppers run into where, you know, you would like to have certain supplies. You also realize we’re going to run out of those supplies and, or there’ll be destroyed. And how do you, how do you work? What’s the best thing I have with you to use. And if you don’t have it, what do you do when you don’t have it?

1 (10m 31s):
Well, it sounds like quite the, the portfolio for us tonight. William and I do appreciate your talking to us. I have a, a very interesting person in Chad. I wonder if we shouldn’t or not continue our conversation. Ah, the, the person we mentioned in the pre-show is joining us tonight in chat. So she must, must be listening. Jordan, do you want to spearhead that conversation and bring it back to life? Because that, I don’t know. I feel like it’s, it’s a good place to start and it was kind of that prenatal talk that off-grid a pre and postnatal a thing.

1 (11m 12s):
I don’t know. I’m sure it is, but I think that’d be kind of a fun place to start tonight with, since we are going to be broad-based Prepper Medical there are certain areas that I think a lot of Preppers are absolutely terrified about when it comes to, you know, that SHTF sort of a Medical at home aspect and, and pregnancy’s got to be one of them in mind.

2 (11m 35s):
Right? Right. Absolutely. So like I was asking William I was going to ask you again as a women’s health, you know, I am still child there in age. There are many women out there and many Preppers who are, you know, we, we talk about in group situations as well as I’m sure you seen on control is not always

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An option or even a viable a back-up, you know, it’s, it’s not guaranteed. So the biggest question is what are some basic or common tips, especially, or for mothers who are expecting or could possibly expect. And cause I know you made some great points and I would love to listeners Live if you hear that, I mean, they were awesome.

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Well, so the most important part of pregnancy really is a prenatal care. And, and that includes a nutritional as well as a supplemental appropriate vitamin is almost impossible to think a diet. I don’t care where you live or how balanced your diet is. It’s actually going to be balanced enough. So we know that you’re going to need more calories as you get closer and closer to the delivery. And basically you’re going to need during that second trimester, about 340 kilos calories, more energy than you would at your baseline. And during that third trimester, about 450 additional calories. So if you look at a normal person, not doing very much, let’s just think I just, you know, you just kind of mucking around the house.

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You’re probably burning about 1800 kilos showers a day. So you’re saying that’s how much more you need you to increase. Now, if you’re a trained athlete or you have a say on a farm work or working, you’re probably burning about 3000, maybe 3,500 kilos calories a day. If you’re a really highly worker, you’re working say cutting timber all day, you’re, you’re getting up around 4,000 to 5,000 calories a day. So I put it in perspective. So you are going to get that extra food for the first and entering that second and third trimester, but you also need nutrients. And we talked earlier, you mentioned like the Mo getting dressed, basically a prenatal vitamin really kind of handles it.

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I mean, you could break it down into, into the digital components of what a person needs with regards to a fully gas and calcium and, you know, be 12 at service, that’s all going to be in a prenatal. So the simple thing to do is you just get a prenatal and take it to every day. In fact, it’s kind of good for the whole family, but you are pregnant or not. So I’m going to get vitamins and the prenatal is a good way to go,

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Right? Cause I actually take prenatals before I ever had children. Even as a teenager, my mother was adamant about it being the best multi-vitamin and I still take prenatals now with high iron and folic acid, because I mean, again, it’s one of the best things. I even have a friend who her in their fifties who still take it. And it’s honestly just based on opinion from working in a pharmacy, it’s probably one of the best vitamins you can see individuals taking

2 (14m 42s):
Well, I will. Absolutely. And it also serves another purpose and it is this, this kind of it’s it’s multi-factorial so if you could say, well, the ideal vitamin for men over 50, and that’s what a lot of marketing you see out there, you know, all these kind of screwball, a very unsafe vitamins for people to various ages and sexes, but really it comes down to it. This is grab a prenatal, be fine. Some people have a little trouble, the iron and my constipated am. I mean, you might run into that issue, but that’d be about the only issue you’re gonna run into. But I would like to hear again, if that’s okay. You did mention about the test.

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Absolutely. So that when the lady’s pregnant, the things that she should watch for, you should watch for, in her would be signs of pre-eclampsia. And that basically is going to show up as either swelling and the lower lambs, you know, getting puffy feet, the DEMA, or are you going to have increase in blood pressure? So you should still have a blood pressure cuff along. So this is a woman’s blood pressure to be a cheque, if it starts rising, that that is a problem. That’s pretty clamps. You know, probably the second thing is if you had urine test strips, now that you can get these without a prescription over the counter, or you would want it to have a test strip that showed a protein.

2 (16m 7s):
And that cause protein shown up in the urine is a problem and need to get addressed to prevent this kind of application and pregnancy and the other things for sugar, because someways will develop a, a gestational diabetes and you start spilling some sugar in your urine. So you were watching that year for protein and sugar. You can, and that’s not happening. You don’t see the print of the precious normal. If you don’t see any of the demon, you you’re, you’re probably progressing very, very nicely. And, and any of those things start to go wrong. Well, then you’ve got a clue that maybe this time to get some professional help.

1 (16m 46s):
Yeah. It’s a scary situation. Are there things like when you’re taking off to Haiti and you’re going to deal with the number of things off of the continental us, are there things that you guys would bring particularly for dealing with patients? Did you run into who are pregnant late, late in their pregnancy and that type of thing? Or is it something that your cash of medical supplies was able to deal with?

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You know, I wasn’t, well, if you go to Haiti, you are going to see things that you do not see it in the United States when you will see, not just pre-eclampsia, you’ll see full blown a clamp. So, you know, you’ll see, they’ll bring him.

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Cause I don’t know what that is.

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You don’t come in, they’ll come in and seizing and actual, and the death rate from that is going to be very high. And so you will have to have injectable medications that you just don’t need when you’re prepping. If you’re staying ahead of it, you’re going to have, you know, you have to be giving the intravenous, you’re going to, you’re going to be doing things that just aren’t being in the realm of a Prepper, but that’s a, that is a disaster situation you’ve got to go. And so we’re going to have to treat these seizures and, and you’ve, I mean, you know, and so the, the, the, the villages we work in the hospital that is nearby, doesn’t even have a tank of oxygen in it, or was it delivered kids?

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If you don’t bring it, they won’t even have a suction. I am even a hand section, a section and stuff out of there, out of ’em. So, I mean, you know, that’s, that’s a real, that’s a little different than the prepping world and probably the most, it can be complicated. I mean, if you’re, if you have no medical care, you better be ready to take care of a lot of problems. You’ve got to take care of wounds. You have to take care of a person’s selling, having a fever or a sudden they have an abdominal pain eye prepping medicine, or, or less the same self care medicine is complex that when the level’s going on a Medical service mission in a remote area and all that, that’s a whole nother level of, of hell.

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I will say we don’t bother with that. We better or more broadly look at what most of us are going to deal with as Preppers. And I would like to make a point without hogging. And that, that is that the most important thing in medicine is diagnosis and diagnosis has to primarily come from a history of the patient. And what are they going to be telling you? Well, they’re going to tell you the something is wrong. What the symptoms are, what part of their body, the symptoms are coming from some times that’s important, and this is just everywhere, but somebody to a certain part hurts or something’s going wrong, how long it’s been going on and what they did, if anything, to cause it, or what makes it better, what makes it worse a lot?

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Makes it a better. Now, when you’re a book like Preppers, Medical Handbook is basically a cookbook. You you’re going to have to use a recipe to cure the problem and find the recipe you need. You’ve got to have a diagnosis and to have the diagnosis you going to have to use that series of questions and locations to identify where you need to go to, to further figure it out. So you’re going to have to take like symptoms and body parts and say, no, it’s okay. Well, how you all can go wrong with a note as well, then section on the nose in a little sips, further, break it out by various types of pains or problems that you have, the nose bleeding, etc.

2 (20m 29s):
And the same is going to be true a year and all this. And then sometimes you have generalized things like fever or things that hit you that are not specific to the body parts, but you have to be able to go into a loop. So the book’s divided up into sections where you go to hit that section and for subdivide out by mostly questions and then some physical exam issues that are pretty straight forward to figure out, well, what are, what is a probable diagnosis? And then, and then here’s what I do with it. There’s another big problem, a longterm prepping that you have to look at it. It’s one thing to know how to approach a wound, stop the bleeding and then properly clean it.

2 (21m 15s):
And then also what to do as the time progresses beyond that point. And that was what does that wound? What should it look like 10 days later? What do you do with this? Not looking the way it should look. So, you know, it’s not just the initial care is that continued prolonged care. It comes quite a challenge for a number of things it’s just fractures, dislocations in and wounds. You should also know when is best to return as a grid with a good eight there, what are you going to do about it? So that will have to be covered. So it’s a clean that, you know, and the description. Yeah. You can take a chance have this one or, well, I have no choice. I got to do what I’m doing.

2 (21m 56s):
This was the best thing you can do under the circumstances. So, so that’s how that book is laid out. And that’s why it takes 320 pages to do it.

1 (22m 7s):
No, it’s a great book. I do want to get into something that really stood out to me in the book. Cause I have a, a few books on Medical and particularly a Prepper based Medical or that type of thing, but something I really liked about yours was the modules that you created. And I want to talk to you about them. I really want to hear you talk about them, but first I want to knock out a break and an ad for your book and just take care of a couple ads real quick. Is that okay with you? William and we come back and we’ll talk about those, those modules that were created, because to me that’s very unique and it’s also very Prepper fish.

1 (22m 54s):
It’s exciting to Preppers to see these lists of strange things. They don’t know what they are, but they know they need them. So I’d love to get your thoughts on that and break down. Cause I’ve been trying my damnedest to explain it. You really have to get the book to see them and to understand what they are, but you’ll probably be able to explain a much better than me. So PBN, give us just a moment. We’ve got a couple ads to run. We’ll be right back with more Jordan and more William and more of your Medical questions and desires and aspirations after this, or are you prepared to be the family doctor in a disaster or emergency?

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This is the Intrepid commander and I’m a holding The Preppers Medical Handbook by William w Forgey MD in this great book. You’ll learn how to prepare for medical care off the grid. You’ll learn about assessment and stabilization you’ll even deal with things like bioterrorism response, radiation, and how to build the off-grid Medical kit at home. The 2020 taught us a lot about the limitations of our medical infrastructure in America. Get The Preppers Medical Handbook Again that’s The Preppers Medical Handbook by William w Forgey

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The situation.

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Again, the Prepper like Carl AED Brown,

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You know,

1 (25m 8s):
And what about them ads though? Geez, maybe I should have been in marketing. You know, I think the garage band and the, the, the timing helped with creating those great aheads, man. They’re phenomenal toot my own horn for a moment. So big, big mentioned in the chat here, close friend of ours here at PBN, also a great writer and the preparedness and survival niche. Sam Biggers mentioned that she reviewed The Preppers Medical Handbook at backdoor survival in its hay day before it was sold.

1 (25m 48s):
You said it’s an excellent book and Sam knows her stuff. So yeah. Another good one for you there. I don’t know if you were privy to that review or not, but yeah, it’s a, that’s a good one. So let’s, let’s talk about these modules William because I really, they really were a aside from the, you know, if I had to pick two things about the book that I personally really like, it is the way it’s broken down so that you can quickly leaf to what issue you’re dealing with and see your options of what it could be. Like. You mentioned the diagnosis piece and then how to treat what you diagnose. You’ve got the book laid out real easy for that.

1 (26m 29s):
And beyond that are these modules that you created, which are kind of these checklists and, and items and methods, and means that you use to, to apply to a lot of those diagnosises that you make earlier in the book. But I’d love to hear kind of your motivation on that and you know, that whole thing.

2 (26m 52s):
Oh, absolutely. The, the, the thing that you’re faced with is that you’ve got limited assets in luck, cash wise. I mean, you know, as we know, and prepping, we’ve got some things that are just absolutely going to take. Most of our, most of our are a currency. We need food, you need water, you are going to have to figure out what your to do about power and heat. And, you know, that’s, these are expensive line items. So Medical when you need it to, you need it. And, you know, you need something. But again, I I’ve been often asked, you know, and that’s specifically to this, you’re going on a wilderness expedition where you have very limited weight capability.

2 (27m 32s):
What do you take in the way of your medical supplies? And I say, my method of choosing because of the way it is so important, you’re actually carrying it. This will be typical of your bug out bag, or the weight is critical. And, and so I, I say, I always compare the Medical item. I’m thinking of taking was an equal amount of chocolate, and I’ll stare at them both and say, wished, I really think I’m going to need in use. And of course, usually chocolate’s going to win. I meant a lot. Yeah, go for it. You know, I, you know, when you are carrying something, you easily better needed a or, and we know we need chocolate, so let’s, but anyway, getting back to the issue of a, have a first aid or a, a real Prepper Medical kit.

2 (28m 25s):
And another thing I alluded to earlier, you’re going to have to, you’re going to want to seriously consider what you’d get a lot of mileage out of those components. And so you’re going to have to have what I’ve described basically is as being, you know, containing things that are both multifunctional and also having cross-functional Cape of Live or, I mean, by that, I mean, the, the one I can be used for more than one thing, and more than one thing can mean used for a particular purpose, you know, for example, a certain medications and multiple uses like Dyson hydromorphine, which is Benadryl does a wonderful cough suppressant. In fact, the sole is Ben Lynn costs a presence.

2 (29m 7s):
It can calm you down. It can be used as an anti-histamine again, help you sleep at night. It can actually add to counter some serious drug reactions. If you have a certain other medications, such as, this is a thing called dystonia that you can get, which is a type of seizure that you would get when you use it, if you are in a bad reaction to certain medicines, which is a little more rare, but, but, but I mean, it’s just a loss of purposes for the use of diphenhydramine. And, and so that’s a, that’s something you might want to carry instead of carrying a specific cough medicine, you would probably want to carry Dyson high to me because you can use it for a cough as well as those other things. So that’s the typical kind of a cross functional the other issue have, this is how you get it.

2 (29m 53s):
Some things you can get by prescription, only some things you can scrounge here, or you can get over the counter. And then ’cause, you know, you’ve got alternative acquisitions that you can get SU such things is the aquarium stores and all of those things where you kind of get never, never landed well, it’s kind of prescription, but it isn’t. And so I divided things up. And as far as the acquisition, also a lot of this prescription or nonprescription, but the real trick of what you’re getting to is these modules a while the modules of how you obtain it. But the other thing is the actual, the module set amount to the problem you’re facing links wise of time.

2 (30m 37s):
For example, when you, when you are talking to Preppers, I seem to find that either or the person is a many, many people or Preppers without realizing their Preppers because they know they need about a two week supply at a minimum because of the they’ve been through it before they’ve had where the storms have closed everything down and for a week at a time, and they’ve experienced it where they know you need about two weeks of this stuff. And then the other Prepper is a little more concerned about the fact that they may live in a coastal region and they’ve seen it go for a month. You don’t have power for a month. You don’t have water for a month. You have got nothing for a month. So that Prepper would be inclined to wanting to have a little bit more on the way and supplies like a, a lot of, you know, a little longer than two weeks.

2 (31m 23s):
Right? And the other thing, I mean, how many people are going in and do you really say the grid? How long you sit, the grill will be down? Well, I divided this three categories, one, the bug out bag. It was about a two week supply while on a one year, what, what do you need for about a year for your group? And then what would it look like? That’s going to be five years, but what does it look like that you are the problems you run into? How long can things be stored for you and, and, and, and what’s a reasonable amount to carry for a group of a certain size. And so obviously you, your, you could find you, so you might be a guise and you want, I think, three months, well, it’s not too hard to do the math as it go and say, here’s kind of, what’s suggested for the different periods of time and then for a different size groups.

2 (32m 11s):
And I can just kind of figure it out from there. I just divide this three big chunks that are really quite a different face, different problems as far as putting it together. And then, you know, it’s, Self, that’s, that’s it, you know, you have mobile reasons for putting it. Now, commercial kits have lots of line items, and they do that with the same reason that a real estate agent would call curb appeal. Namely, if you have a lot of line items, it looks really great when you’re, when you’re selling or looking at your buying it, but you don’t need that many lionizes, you, you need more bulk or more individual items than you do to separate the different items, particularly if you can kind of use them for kinda the same thing.

2 (32m 59s):
I mean, you could, you can be a little creative, but you’re also not going to run out of everything. And as you run out of things, you have to have some alternative method of kind of handling some of the same problems. So, you know, you, for many Preppers that alternative is, is one of the most fun things about prepping is learning how to handle things without the traditional items. But so you have to lose that. You have to discuss it. And some of these traditional things work better than a commercial. For example, honey, in wounds, as far as you have a pressure ulcer to cubitus and also this is the best thing you can you use for curing them.

2 (33m 38s):
So, so they’re very commonly used traditional things that you can use in lieu of very fancy, sophisticated things. But I’d say a little fancy, sophisticated things to be kind of nice to have to

1 (33m 55s):
No doubt about it. Yeah. A big piece of the book for me, those things are real. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like that elsewhere. So I really appreciated that. What are we missing? William from your point of view, from your standpoint, you know, the prepping community pretty well in order to do what you’ve done and to write what you’ve written. When you look out on the, on the greater scope of Preppers in general, what, what’s something that stands out that we might be missing as a community, or, you know, that we need to add or something along those lines, or we naive in some areas?

1 (34m 34s):
What, what do you think, would you say that comes to mind?

2 (34m 39s):
I think, you know, first of all, we all have concerns and, and, and most not to have as built on our experiences. So depending on our geography, w we would be aware of problems that others would not be a word I need to have to be very concerned about water supply. They have be very concerned about exposure to elements, teat, and cold. How are you going to put most of your energy? It’s a pretty mundane stuff. It’s not very glamorous. When you think of, you know, really doing an intelligent job at this The of food storage and, and thinking about the longterm, if you are, if you’re a really worried about a real long-term shutdown, I think another problem is that it it’s almost to the back of a new Prepper that they might want to have some alternative location to go to.

2 (35m 33s):
That is a toughest thing on the planet to make work. You, you simply better figure the vast majority of people are going to be stuck where they’re at. And if you have to learn how to make that work, I, this is a rare person is going to have an alternative location. This is going to be successful. ’cause one, you’ve got to somehow protect the alternative location. And so you’ve got to reach it. And, and when things are really bad out there, that may be problematic. And yet there are some people where that is not only feasible. It may be necessary if you live in a coastal area that might be hit by hurricanes, you’ve got to figure out a way of getting out of there to assist.

2 (36m 13s):
So you don’t have a choice. So, you know, so what you are, and that would be a huge expense and a huge part of your prepping was that alternative location rest for most people geographically, it wouldn’t make any sense. It, you should put in a wholesale energy into really fixing where you live to be more sustainable, whether it’s alternative power sources, adequate food and water, the Cape, the preparation. So I, I think it, it kind of depends on your circumstances where you get to put most of that money in energy. Medical really asked.

2 (36m 54s):
It should be kind of a low on your totem pole, as far as the expenditure yet, you know, you could put a few thousand bucks into the medical care, a lot really trying, but you don’t need to do that. And, and unless that’s your passion, but it doesn’t pay to buy it. If you don’t know how to use it. And I would suggest that, you know, the medical part of the glamor park, or maybe the gun’s and animals or the other glamor park, and I’m sure you can spend way more in that area than, you know, the bucks, but you better think of food, water, and power as been your biggest things.

2 (37m 43s):
And they’re a little Monday to talk about.

1 (37m 46s):
I agree with you. A funny thing is I agree with you. We have a, a base level of preparedness here at PBN, and those are the top three things, water, food, power, backup power. But yeah, so obviously things that we need to consider as Preppers Medical is one of those interesting ones, because you can, you can grab a little bit of first aid training right on, on the house, but there aren’t, there are definitely limits, right? To what you can learn about certain levels of Medical.

2 (38m 24s):
Well, you brought up to the other issue and I’ve mentioned only briefly in passing it doesn’t pay to drag along what you don’t know how to use. Right. And train is actually a critical. Now the training of prepping is a huge part of Prepper and it’s for all of these things, you just figuring out how to set a power or how to take care of all these basically homesteading type activities that you’re really afraid to ask. These are all skillsets. And if you are born with a minus C, if you’re not brought up in that culture to know how to do it for you, if you’ve had, or you have to enable to rely another sourcing for you, the skills you’ve got to learn them, and medicine is not a D no different, but fortunately there are some compressed courses I can give you quite a bit.

2 (39m 10s):
And then there are extended courses, for example, that readily available most places to could be a wilderness first aid course. And that’s offered by numerous organizations cause, you know, work or the red cross. But, but then of course there are a more specific advanced courses offered by some of the Prepper survival schools that deal with the medical issues that are a little more advanced We. We also know that when you are, if you’re doing, you know, we we’ve seen modification to even our urban first day to include now such things as stop the bleeding as being a primary, a skill set because of the mass shootings situation we’ve seen, we’re, we’re really learning.

2 (39m 57s):
So apply a tourniquet properly and, and, and being aware that bleeding actually in many of these cases to the, is C the airway, and as a first thing, you really assess for, cause you assessing for everything at once, or are you doing your primary survey, but the DS training courses show the skill sets and their fun to go through they’re there and they’re available throughout the country.

1 (40m 27s):
People, they, I’ve never been a huge fan of building the Prepper squad or the, you know, that that particular survival is a group. I usually kind of poke fun at and call it like the Preppers version of the Avengers, where you have, you know, a, a, a special forces guy on your team and ah, you know, a farmer on your team and this and that. And the other thing, but, you know, with when it comes to Medical, it does seem like having a doctor around a tree, a literal trained medical doctor in the Rolodex during an emergency or disaster is, is at least one, one person that you probably wanna know or, you know, have access to.

1 (41m 15s):

2 (41m 17s):
Well, you know, we, we looked at a lot of that and then the issue of mountaineering or, or wilderness rescue. And it really turns out is probably better to have a Mountaineer still Mount here and train them do the first day than it is to get a skilled doctor and train her, to do the Mountaineer, to train up anyone, to do the first aid and the advanced first-aid. And then it is to replace the person that really knows how to run a machine and the mills, how to fix that vehicle, who these stills are more, you know, believe it or not, you know, are dropping trees.

2 (41m 59s):
I mean, it’s easy, it’s much easier to change the first date. And it is a skill,

1 (42m 6s):
I guess that makes sense from a first date standpoint, but what about a real, maybe not necessarily a trauma based emergency, but what about an illness, you know, like, or, or, you know, one of the things that always scares me to death doc is internal bleeding. You know, that’s one of those things where it’s like, Oh God, I hope to never have to press on an abdomen and feel some rock hard, you know, feeling where I know that someone I love is suffering from internal bleeding. Cause I wouldn’t even know where to begin.

2 (42m 39s):
Well, when I first started, you know, I’m going to ask the first lecturing to people and doing work with regard to the wilderness. I, I was not yet a physician and I’d built a log cabin and the North wind PLS and you know how to build a log cabin, my Pino and blah, blah, blah. As soon as I became a doctor, they immediately started actually, I should say this as soon as you became a med student on the question is starving. Well, how do you take care of appendicitis? And the people are, what’s the prevent you from going on a great wilderness trip, but, and it doesn’t prevent you from is a Prepper from getting ready for many, many of the things you gotta run into, but what’s in the back of your mental, how do I handle what you brought up?

2 (43m 21s):
How do I handle tell the sinus when I had to do or that, you know, and that it would probably be one of your bigger issues, maybe a dominant, but there are others. But so first of all, I’m going to have to diagnose what’s going on. And then the other thing is, you know, what, even where the appendicitis even worse and you can literally a diagnose that across the room without touching the person. I have simple questions and I go to that and my book quite easily, you know, but now when are you going to do with it? Well, believe it or not, for many things you’re going to live through and with the genocide is with antibiotics. There’s probably only about an 18% mortality rate.

2 (44m 1s):
Everybody else is going to live. So its not like you’ve got to think you’re going to slice a guy open and muck around in there. You are not going to have to, most things are going to let you live through that. And, but you should know, you should have a good idea of what you’re dealing with and then kinda know what you can do in sometimes you can’t do anything. You know, you’re talking about internal bleeding, internal bleeding spot a change to be a really rare, unless there’s a bullet right behind it.

1 (44m 29s):
Trauma-based you know, from a fall or

2 (44m 33s):
Yeah. So if you had an officer and example, we think you got an upper GI bleed, I get again a certain medications and she has to give that might help relieve it, but that could be catastrophic. And there’s some things that you just, you should know that, Oh boy, this is potentially catastrophic. If there is a grid anywhere we ought to give this person to that grid. Here’s how we handle them in the meantime. And if there is no grid, this is kind of what we can expect and you know, that’s the way it is. Yeah, no doubt. It’s just, you know, go, go ahead. Yeah.

3 (45m 12s):
Yeah. So, you know, I wanted to ask you, you know, we’re talking about this as Prepper and I worked at a hospital for three years. I’m very familiar with the injuries I saw that came in there. But my question to you is in these situations for Preppers, what is the most common injury you see? Because in my head I’m thinking accidental and self harm, such as a chainsaw, cutting something wrong. I mean, what, what do you see both as a Prepper or even in Hades is one of our most common accidental injuries.

2 (45m 43s):
Well, he is motorbike injuries causing lower extremity injuries, but in, in prepping is going to be wood tools. I am all my work in the North. It’s always when your building the cabin pass, when you have to start having it. So you end up with a machete and the leg, as soon as Clarion bullish or, or something else, a chainsaw, I wasn’t your physician for five years chainsaw. So they skipped, they don’t give you a cuddle. You kind of walk the moon.

3 (46m 14s):

2 (46m 15s):
Do you have to have an approach to those? And the first thing to do is, you know, stop the bleeding and save a life, you know, a treat for shock. What are the things that you you’ve got to remember when you’re treating for shock? Even a warm temperatures is a person can become hypothermic easily. They lose their temperature control and that will throw them into deeper shock. So you’re going to have to protect their temperature, actually, you know, and you’re gonna stay this way and you go to any of these courses or the person you do is to protect the scene. You got to make sure, you know, I’ve done a lot. I study a lot of, and many, many of my friends haven’t been very active and developing the tactical combat casualty care stuff. And they even have a nother layer because you’re going to be sometimes taking care of people under friendly, under enemy fire situation.

2 (46m 59s):
But nevertheless was falling rock falling trees, wherever you might endanger the area that has to be dealt with almost first, you’ve got to protect that patient and there are certain steps you go through almost simultaneous as you do your initial assessment, you’d see bleeding. For example, we’re talking about most of us would tools. Accidents are pretty obvious. Sometimes they’re not fully obvious. You may have a bleed. You, you don’t pick up a chair on both sides and the patient, you know, the land down, but you’ve had to protect the environment. You have to stop the bleeding. I will protect the airway. And the thing is a bleed, you know, and this is probably a bit of a book on that.

2 (47m 41s):
But again, most of the times going to be a direct pressure, that’s gonna stop at almost all the time and it’s not, you’ve got to immediately go to a tourniquet and there’s another, I’m going to turn a pretty fast. And then you’ve got to do that. Now, as far as nasty was like, you know, like the like particularly The changed solid, that’s going to Basser and the tissue, you’re not going to have to close that thing. You’re going to have, that’s going to have to close by secondary intent. So you’re going to have to use a proper, the best dressing as you can. And there’s also alternative dress and you can come up with, and, and that you were going to be very aggressive at cleaning up. And, and that again is going to be kind of a traumatic as got to be done when you have to use the right amount of volume at the right amount of force on it.

2 (48m 26s):
And then if you have to stop that bleeding again, and, and then you’re going to have to deal with a wound that you cannot close, cause it’s too wide as to, to a master to, to feel it. So there’s different things you can do dressing wise and you can get amazingly good results from what starts out as quite ugly scars, you know, th have to heal over a long period of time with this a little process. Obviously a primary closure is a good thing to achieve. It’s a clean room is not that hard to do stapling more to very well. You can buy these staplers on Amazon 50 stables in them.

2 (49m 10s):
I mean, they really worked and you don’t even really, I mean, you take care of it very fast. So I think that you’re, you know, but it depends on the wound and where it’s located, but you can do pretty well with some pretty nasty wounds. But the most important thing is when you’ve had some training or you’re not as afraid to deal with it, you know, you’re relying on a plunge in and do something, but I don’t want to scare people off on his wound. Things you’ll be amazed. You’ll be amazed how many people pass out when they’re looking at blood, but when you’re in the middle of it doing something and they don’t feel like passing out at all.

1 (49m 53s):
That’s funny because I have a weird, well, I can’t really, if I hear conversations about blood, it makes me queasy, but I’ve cut tips of my fingers off and wrapped up people who’ve done the same in kitchens all my life and never an issue. But yeah, there’s something weird about that blood from a distance. I don’t know what that’s all about, but so one thing that comes to mind, cause I, I hear this a lot and I can’t say that I’m a a hundred percent with it now. Of course, you know, I have sons, so I’ve cleaned out wounds before, but when you’re talking about flushing, a serious wound like that, what, what kinds of things are you grabbing?

1 (50m 42s):
Right. So a guy like Jordan said, terrorism, Self up with a chain saw and maybe preliminary washing and a secondary clean out. Like when we read bandage and that type of thing, what are the things that you’re going for in, in one of those situations where it’s like, we’ve got to get this wound cleaned out, we got to get it cleaned out well and wrapped up.

2 (51m 7s):
It’s all, it’s all on the initial cleaning. And you’re going to have to have a very high pressure water and so you’re gonna need, and there’s all types of kinds of alternative ways of tainting with a plastic bag in putting a hole in it and just squeezing like crazy. But then they make some really large syringes that you can get. Cause you have to really blast that water in there and you get them without a prescription. Basically you need force, it’s a really clean out and you might have to use some gauze and roughly, you know, just to breed it by using gauze where you just cut the knock, loose all the debris and basically like a small bits of flesh that have just been disintegrated by.

2 (51m 48s):
So the chainsaw that most things don’t disintegrate around their life change. That was the worst. But yeah, you have to be very aggressive on that, but it’s gotta be brief. I mean, you’re in there like a banshee, you know, and, and you’ve got to get it over with and because that, guy’s not going to tolerate that. And also, you know, you just going to kill ’em if you keep it up. So to stop that bleeding again. Now, when it comes to redressing, yes, it’s a number of tricks where the redress thing, when it comes to RI irrigating, it’s a bit tricky. It’s a, it’s definitely doable, but you know, and I talk at you, all the techniques got to be a pretty gentle and you know, if you’re a surgeon, you might be a little more aggressive, but otherwise it’s gentle and you’re going to use the type of bandaging or things.

2 (52m 39s):
Like I mentioned on our open, we’re going to have to slowly heal. You’d probably be using things similar to honey that would allow it to heal. We have a gel dressings and things like that can allow a nasty open wounds, but those ones will be that way. You can maybe get primary closure and you won’t deal with it. I’m about to lose my power. By the way. I don’t know how much longer is the program go. I may have to call in on a telephone or something.

1 (53m 5s):
Oh no. I mean, we there’s no time. I mean, we could wrap it up if you’re running out of power, it’s no big deal. Yep.

2 (53m 12s):
Well, it kind of is you’re on a Prepper and I’m running out on the powers. How, how is there a phone number I can call you in case I had to go to a landline?

1 (53m 22s):
I, I don’t think we can do it through a telephone actually, because it’s through Skype.

3 (53m 30s):

1 (53m 34s):
Yeah, let’s do let’s let’s just go with the part to will have a highly recommended with your own Medical and preparedness library and it is Christmas time. So you can always tap the spouse, the kid’s cousins, the uncle or whatever, tell ’em what you want. But, so what do you think Jordan? William first impressions. I had never talked to the guy we’ve been doing business, but I’ve never actually had him on the horn and, and got to know him until now. I didn’t realize you had such a background doing all that work and Haiti.

3 (54m 8s):
Yeah, no, I, I feel like, you know, I was like, I, I dated him, you know, just from first get go and being able to carry such a conversation. Cree Shows fricking fantastic. So I knew, I know he definitely has a lot of information to them that I definitely would love to pick his brain about.

1 (54m 29s):
Oh, damn. I feel like we just scratched the surface. I forgot to let him know. You know, these Preppers lives can be a big deal. They can go a long. Yeah. They can go pretty long. So how are you doing? You feel me?

3 (54m 43s):
Yeah. That’s the thing I’m making it. I’m not going to say one way or the other, but I’m making it. I mean, that’s all I can do. Right.

1 (54m 52s):
How are you feeling about the holidays or the band you where you are? You’ve got to be flying high with the kids and all that.

3 (54m 58s):
So I am absolutely dreading the holidays. I will be absolutely honest with you. A bid and finances. It’s just one of those things where I’m kind of ready for the holidays to be over.

1 (55m 12s):
You just wanna, just want to get through it.

3 (55m 17s):
Yeah. I’m yeah, it really is. One of those things work life, you know, unfortunately I don’t have the chickens anymore, but I still have the garden. I’m still trying to keep up on maintaining and the preps I have in my household. It’s just, it’s definitely been something. I know you were a Christmas man. So I know you were more than a lady. I’m surprised. He probably don’t already have the tree up,

1 (55m 42s):
Man. We’re behind

3 (55m 44s):
Like in my house. So up until the day after Thanksgiving,

1 (55m 52s):
Do you know what? I, we’re not going to get our treat till after Thanksgiving this year, but we usually don’t but we’ll have the house all lit up and all that stuff like crazy. Yeah.

3 (56m 0s):
I can tell you with what happened with my son hunting. I’m ready to get out there and get a beer. Like I’m so comfortable to get out there and try to snag if you veer from our house.

1 (56m 11s):
Yeah, no, that was so cool. That was the coolest thing I seen on Instagram all year. Probably to be quite honest with you to get, I was like, Whoa, see you. I’m there with the shotgun at his side. I, yeah, I was blown away. I’m going to try to get out. I think Thursday, I think Thursday, I’m going to do a mid day to sunset sit and see what I can get. I don’t know what’s going on out there. The weather wise yet, but I don’t know. You know, that’s the weird thing about him. I always hear different tales about no rain, no wind, wind rain and the, you know, whatever kind of conditions.

1 (56m 52s):
But I see them out. They’re all the time. You know, I see them all the time from fishery and you get to see them constantly.

3 (57m 2s):
I think it’s more to whatever area you’re in here at like a constant, right? And they’re not going to be out there. They are not going to be running for the state regulations, you know, are allowed to put feedback out certain States. Aren’t

1 (57m 19s):
Do you want to hear some about state regulations? It’s outrageous. I had to bring it on board that down. And we looked at you from the craziness and you know, we’re happy here. So that’s that. But I’m looking over the regulations and looking over the dates and having conversations with neighbors. I could almost hunt year round With a bow from my backyard and I’ve never killed anything from my backyard. And you know, it’s, it’s probably a little egocentric, right?

1 (58m 1s):
Because the deer, the deer that frequent my not ju not in the fence portion, but the portion behind it are, you know, they’re used to me in some way. I don’t feed them or anything or say hi to them, but they, they have something in Virginia called it an urban archery program. And that urban archery program allows for it. And regular hunting season allows for it in the city of Richmond. As long as you’re on land that you own, or do you have permission? So I’ve never, what do you think about that? If I take a deer in a blind in my backyard, it seems weird, right?

3 (58m 45s):
Oh, not really. As long as you’re within regulations, I don’t know what your state guidelines are, you know, dependent upon the state. Some places require a a hundred yards from a residential area, but I’m going to require a 300. So if you are within that limit, absolutely. I’d be doing it in a heartbeat. If you have a name that dear Carl, I hope to hear that Carl’s in your freezer. I mean, it’s just, yeah. If you have the opportunity to sustain or maintain your family with what’s around you, I would take it up in a heart, you know, just be aware of your surroundings. I mean, if you’re within limitations and legally can do it by all means I would do it.

3 (59m 24s):
Absolutely. I would do it in the heart. So I could shoot for my front yard over to the field, across from me where I see hundreds of fricking deer and Turkey. I want to do it in a heartbeat.

1 (59m 35s):
Yeah. I think it’s something that’s got to happen. I’ve talked about it over the last year, but you know, I’m in, I’m in this very unique situation and I even a year, you know, I’ve been thinking about this for so long that maybe a year and a half or even two years ago. I remember having the conversation with my next door neighbor, cause she has a little chunk of land next to her house. And I always imagine, you know, the deer is the way they traveled there going to drop dead in her yard. So I better talk to her about it. And you know, man, she was so happy. She was just like, those things eat my roses every year. You should kill them all. I remember being like, wow, but there’s always been this weird part to me.

1 (1h 0m 16s):
That’s like, I don’t know. They’re they, they are those type of deer. You know what I mean? That, that hangout in people’s backyards. And when you go to hunt deer, they’re different. You know what I mean? They’re different deer. Like you can’t walk up on one of them the way you can walk up on those backyard deer.

3 (1h 0m 36s):
Right? But you’re looking at it this way. Your not completely wiping out a population, you’re not going to want it to be here for your free. If that opportunity arises and you come onto a hard moment, don’t think for one second other people, aren’t going to take them out because they’re the easiest target. I don’t think if you are looking at it from a sportsman light for the hunt of the sports, for the thrill to chase and so on and so forth. Yes, it is an easier field. But if you’re looking at the fact that you are putting something in your freezer that will put something in your belly and in the bellies of your children and your wife, then don’t look at that factor. Look at the fact that you are feeding them. And you are able to do that within your limitations of your own house.

3 (1h 1m 18s):
That versus having to go out and drive six miles out early in the morning, you get to heat up your coffee. You get to step out on your back porch and you get to shoot a deer. And I would love that instead of sitting out in the blind in 30 degree weather, shaking in my boots, hoping I don’t miss the big buck. Who’s going to walk up behind you.

1 (1h 1m 37s):
Yeah. When you say it that way, it, you know, it’s it, you feel fullest either way. That’s why it’s an interesting situation. You know, when you say it that way, it’s like, duh, what have you been waiting here? You been living here for how many years and you haven’t bagged one of these things. I mean, they’re not, you know, I’ve never seen, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an eight point a roll through the yard. You know what I mean? So they’re not big deer, but that doesn’t really matter

3 (1h 2m 3s):
To me. No,

1 (1h 2m 5s):
I’m definitely not. I could care less. I’m not even thinking.

3 (1h 2m 11s):
Right. See, I don’t get me wrong. I would love to get a good trophy deer. But when it comes down to it, I’m going to go for me. So I mean, don’t feel, or, or guilty or weird about killing something that is going to sustain your family. Like I I’m so adamant about that with people, you know, Willa was talking about, she is going to be starting a garden, maybe not next year, but a year before. And I’m like, absolutely, I will be there every day to help you change that garden. She has to be. So you can get on that track of having your own. I am absolutely for people doing things that is going to feed themselves.

1 (1h 2m 45s):
Yeah. I think you’re right. I think that’s what I get. Maybe on Thursday instead of going and doing exactly what living on the fault says, you said he, I don’t, I lost it already, but he said he drove, Oh, drove a few hours to see less deer this weekend. I will give that a shot. I’ll set up and give it a, an earnest shot. Cause they’re about daily. I mean, they come through a bout daily and it’s like I said, it’s all within regulation. It’s just a matter of doing it. And I, yeah, why not? You put one away, you put one away, right? You got one in the freezer and then you can go do your, your crazy hunting for the rest of the winter shoot rifles,

3 (1h 3m 26s):
You know, his record where you shot your gear. Phil, if that deer does tend to boat and he ends up in someone’s yard, you can’t be Dutton for an or shoot for your honey.

1 (1h 3m 42s):
A good point. That cause it’s cause then it would be the G yeah. Then it would not be on my property a second

3 (1h 3m 52s):
Bruise that you shot your beer on your property. And it happened to wander out or right before it died. And it’s still within legal range. If you can, if it Shows they say you shot on their property, then you’ve actually, you know, crossed that legal boundary into the illegal hunting. Yeah.

1 (1h 4m 9s):
Yeah. Good point. Very good point. Yeah. I guess we’ll have to, we’ll have to give that a go. It’s been on my mind and you know what? They ripped a bunch of trees down on us to build a new development up there. So I am sure that the deer population is pressed and nobody else is going to help them out. Nobody else is going to hunt these deer around here because you know, it’s people’s property. You can’t, you know, our property backs up to

3 (1h 4m 38s):

1 (1h 4m 39s):
We are a lot like you are property backs up to a high way. You know what I mean? So there’s this strip of land that runs behind us. And you know, everybody has their little piece of that strip and the deer have a deer take full advantage of it. There’s a Creek back there and the whole nine yards. So they walk it, they eat,

3 (1h 4m 57s):
You know, for me every morning they go bucks or something, big Turkey. And I’m just like, man, it wouldn’t take me two seconds to pop that thing, but I can’t do it. But I mean, but you know, our state regulations are different. Like here a private property, I can take five years on public property. I am a public Huntsman and I can only take three. So is to get it is to get something and my freezer as well. ’cause the fact that he’s all excited.

3 (1h 5m 37s):
Like he’s already made plans for, what’s going to be done with this deer meat. So I’ve got to make beer jerky. I’ve got to make a few roasts. I got to make from the data and the stakes. I mean, so on my Christmas list to my mother, there’s a KitchenAid with a grinder attachment so I can start processing my own needed a keeper.

1 (1h 5m 58s):
Yeah. I had the grinder, we got the grinder. I’ve never ground up any of my own deer though. That would be fun.

3 (1h 6m 7s):
I would prefer it because then I could take my time of completely getting as much meat off at that deer myself versus taking it to a process. Or if you only pulled off so much, I mean, cause some of those things have nice meat in between the ribs. Yes. It’s not a lot, but it’s great. You grind up.

1 (1h 6m 26s):
Yeah. I’d have no problem butchering that thing down to the nothingness. Really. The only thing I would probably have to get is a, I don’t have a bone saw, so I’d need, I’d need that to really do what I want to do with it. You know how to cut the, to cut the shank down in the us or Buco and things like that. What I would want to do I’d need one more tool. But outside of that, I could take a deer. I mean, I’d have fun, really taking a deer completely apart. Cause I never, I’ve never taken a, a, an animal that size from skin all the way down to a full freezer of meat myself. And that would be a pretty,

3 (1h 7m 7s):
You get it from, it does take a little bit to me though. It’s not very different than processing a sheep or maybe not as bulky as a pig, but I would honestly say cleaning down a deer is very similar to cleaning down a full grown Ram or sheep or you go, I mean, you know, it’s all basically the same, but for me, those would probably be the two animals that compare it to you. So every time I’m cleaning or get in a deer, I literally think that the same way a cleaner get a sheep or a ramp.

1 (1h 7m 47s):
Yeah. I don’t, I’ve never done anything with a ramp. I mean, I’ve definitely done. You said sheep or lamb.

3 (1h 7m 56s):
I am now a Ram

1 (1h 7m 58s):
Ram. Okay. Yeah. I’ve never done nothing on the Ram, but I’m sure there’s similar to a lamb.

3 (1h 8m 4s):
Right, right. And just I’m, you know, I’m thinking size as build. I mean, yes, they are different. But to me it’s very, very similar. You know, pigs are going to have a little more on them as a dependent upon your type of sheep. It’s not. So to meet a lot of the same, my, I know this sounds crazy. I don’t know if anyone else does it this way. I had a friend the other night telling me to carry a bone cell, which I don’t. I usually, I didn’t get to go with the right angle on that buck in the picture. But normally what we do is we take our nickel where you break through the sternum and then we can spread it open from there manually and get the heart and the lungs and cut to try to get, you know, the soft focus and everything and pull from there.

3 (1h 8m 48s):
But at the angle it was, I actually had to reach up into the neck cavity to cut it loose, to then inspect the heart and the liver and the lungs before we did anything worked for me.

1 (1h 9m 1s):
And there’s a lot of good pieces. There’s a lot of good pieces they eat. And the deer that people like,

3 (1h 9m 6s):
I’m going to be honest with you. I don’t eat any of the energy or anything. So if you can cook and I will from here on out, eat it. But see. So I don’t know if this is just a Southern tradition. I’ve had quite a few northerners look at me funny. I’m just curious if y’all do this too out. There is a, in the South or around here, especially you get Chris and with the blood of your first kill that my son took off running for me. When I want to smack him in the face with the heart. I actually poured some in the bag and his Papa, his grandpa got to Chris and them correctly where we take the blood or the Hart.

3 (1h 9m 50s):
And you get it rubbed in your face, like a Rite of passage for, for us down here. And I’ve had, people’s like, why would you do that? Well, it’s, I’m like, well, we cut shirt tails if you miss your shot. So I don’t, I don’t know if that’s everywhere that should do something here. I’ve had someone look at me funny and I’m like, why would you do that? And I’m like, hi. And I had liver in my hair from how hard I get smacked in the face with a heart. So, I mean, it’s just,

1 (1h 10m 16s):
Yeah, that’s a tough, I mean, if you’re talking to a certain kind of person, that’s almost impossible to sell ’em on, you know, its just like,

3 (1h 10m 24s):
It really is. But I think that’s more of a country Southern tradition like down here, Arkansas, Mississippi, a lot of the Southern regions is you get chris’ and with your first kill is like, it is the ultimate Rite of passage of just saying I did this, you know

1 (1h 10m 43s):
What we do up North is we just eat the liver. I’m just kidding. We just eat that thing. I’m kidding.

3 (1h 10m 50s):
Yeah. But you know, that’s the first thing I look at on anything I can’t add or anything I’ve had the liver, I always checked the heart and always checked the lungs. Then I will tell you this book that my son has down, he had the most healthiest heart I have ever seen. Absolutely no thoughts or nothing on the liver. The lungs did have blood, but with where he shot it, I’m not surprised they didn’t have more blood in its lungs. But I mean, I was just impressed at how healthy this really was. Cause you usually even some of the smaller or bigger butts, she’ll see a spot or two and you just, okay, well one or two spots I can deal with.

3 (1h 11m 32s):
Well, if they’re covered or multiple spots is concerned, but I’ve never seen one this healthy,

1 (1h 11m 38s):
I’ll tell you what Hart is highly underrated, highly underrated.

3 (1h 11m 43s):
Thanks for saying how do you cook that? Because it was a beautiful heart that I’m like, Oh my gosh, this would have been amazing. Like I have a friend out in Cali and loved the heart. Like that is one of his favorites. How do you cook it?

1 (1h 11m 56s):
I like what? One of the things that I liked to do with heart is to make a marinade that is a vinegar based. And if I had a heart in front of me right now, if I had your son’s heart, not your son’s heart. If I had the, the deer’s heart that your son shot in front of me right now, I would a wash that thing off. Watch the ventricles. I would slice it probably about, I don’t know, maybe about even a half inch to a quarter inch thick slices, you know, lengthwise and marinated in balsamic vinegar, lots of minced, garlic, lots of minced Rosemary, maybe some olive oil overnight and fired the grill up on high and grill each side just until done.

1 (1h 12m 47s):
And that’s good stuff right there, man. But I like the,

3 (1h 12m 51s):
So you get up at eight o’clock at night with me asking how to clean this first, get a hot, that actually sounds really good. Like this heart was beautiful. Tell us a lot of the animals parts in my hands, but this heart was absolutely beautiful problem. With a South of spoilage. I liked to let the deer hanging for a fetus. So living in the fall as well. So we like to let our here hang, but we only let our deer hangs for a day. I gut them. I get ’em down to the cavity and we let the blood drain. Like I find that’s what gets rid of a lot of the pain Munis.

3 (1h 13m 31s):
I also brined my meat on top of that and removing the additional blood. But as he was saying, spoilage, if the temperature is above a certain degree, then I don’t want to let it hang. So I, I will then Self my meat for twice as long, but elsewise. I, I do like living in the fall. I will only let my dear depended upon the temperature. Only hangs overnight. If it’s super, super cold out, I may leave it for 12 hours, but it’s usually eight hours at the most. And then that’s when I will bring to the deer back down and completely processed it out. But I leave the skin and everything on just remove the innards and let it hang there and, and completely drain out of blood.

3 (1h 14m 13s):
Now, if it’s a DOE and I’m, I’m able to get her at the right angle, like instead of you, you know, a male out to hang from the antlers, a female, hang from her ankles. If I can get her in the spreaders, I will hanger remove her innards. And then I will actually proceed to cut her throat to, to give an additional spot for any vanes to continue to drain into the net.

1 (1h 14m 35s):
So you don’t remove the innards in the field. You, you drag the deer home all put together.

3 (1h 14m 43s):
So where we were at? No. So where, where he was hunting, that you don’t want to feel a dress right there and that’s actually the feedlot. So we drag it or, well, he loaded it up. They loaded it up and dragged it over several hundred feet away where we have a industrial bar up in the sky and I get it. I get there and then we pulled it up and home yet we were only able to get it so high. So fortunately enough, we told her son, if the coyotes did get to it, they would only be able to get to the ankles. Are the hooks at the bottom feet versus being able to get the, any of the meat as a gear.

3 (1h 15m 23s):
Cause our biggest issue where we’re at is coyote. So a lot of times if I’m able to get it like over to the house, I will drag over to that spot. Completely feel dressed, load up and carried over to the tree, you know, pull it back to the house, to the tree where I can hoist it up about 20 feet in the air and then not have to worry about predators or anything. Get into it. If it’s going to be there, then I will let it sit the whole eight to 12 hours or less wise. It’s overnight at the, the field spot.

1 (1h 15m 53s):
I got you. So you guys have a little, almost like a hunting. You guys almost got like a hunting club set up.

3 (1h 16m 3s):
No, it’s funny. It’s not, but we’ve made it. They’ve made it work. And then, you know, I was married into that. So now I’m, I’m figuring that out, but on this one, so I like what living on the fault says that they carry a five gallon bucket and dump it away. That’s smart. I never thought about that. I know my biggest concern though, is where I take on a deer. I want to remove it from that spot as quickly as possible, just because I don’t want to scare off the other deer from the smell of the blood. So that’s another reason why I don’t feel gut right there where I kill it. If it’s, if it were like a public setting like publicly and I probably would and then remove or wherever, but because we hunt the same spots on that property, I’d hate to scare off any dear for the rest of that day or the rest of that week until the coyotes come and clear it out.

3 (1h 16m 50s):
Which I’ll be honest with you. I, Oh, these are there within hours, hours, not sooner. My kid and his father took down a deer last year, right before desk could not find it searched and searched and searched. They stopped called me. We went first thing in the morning, not even without their six hours. I found the innards, not even the five steps, five feet from where they stopped. And five feet from that, I found a completely clean beer, which means that Deere was taken down right after they had literally just walked out of that spot. So The yeah.

3 (1h 17m 31s):
And the picture, I don’t think you could tell, but I had a pistol, a loaded pistol on my hip, along with my, my knife in case I’m a coyote walked up while we were trying to process the deer.

1 (1h 17m 43s):
Can you just started hearing them howls?

3 (1h 17m 47s):
Do you know what? They’re very quiet. They’re actually quite out here. And that’s the scary part. They don’t make a lot of noise until when they’re actually on top of something. They’re quiet.

1 (1h 18m 1s):
I’ll tell you what though. When The, when the alarms light, the fire alarms and stuff, go off the horns. They start howling with him. It’s a pretty funny, particularly in the early hours of the morning, they’ll start howling along with the fire trucks and the alarms. But outside of that, they don’t get too crazy. During the night.

3 (1h 18m 22s):
I heard him all the time growing up in Arkansas, over in this foothills, I mean running across the mountain, they were always making noise into the now and embark and bid out or their class caught too quiet. You know, it’s one of those scary clots ’cause you don’t hear ’em and you’ll walk up on one and it will start the tread all you can see, you have these tiles, these are so healthy. They look like Huskies. I mean, they’re not starving, unfortunately. Yeah. They have plenty to feed apart.

1 (1h 18m 52s):
I don’t like the sounds of it. Couple, a couple of them can be a problem. Few of them can be a real problem, you know?

3 (1h 19m 1s):
Yeah. I have what people call national fears. I am actually terrified of coyotes out here. Not because one coyote by itself, there’s a coward as coyotes in a group are lethal because yeah, I guess it’s that whole fear, you know, at least back home mountain lines were there and you always heard them. They sent it like a woman’s screaming, but a lot mountain line or cats tend to go for the neck because to kill a dog or cat for you to pieces while you’re still alive. So the crash,

1 (1h 19m 34s):
Well really anything right? Anything, except the cat is going to rip you apart while you’re alive.

3 (1h 19m 43s):
I don’t drink the water.

1 (1h 19m 45s):
Oh God. Nope.

3 (1h 19m 50s):
I’m not doing it all at the top. Show me the local pictures of the pond. And then the lights down here by me and they showed me an eighth for a Gator or on the back of the Lake where they go on insulin. I’m like, Oh, I ain’t getting in that water. Nope. I like the pool.

1 (1h 20m 8s):
Does anybody in chat and know how to deal with a Gator? If it gets ahold of you and pools you underwater, do you know Jordan? There’s a little flap in the back of the throat. That seems kind of counterintuitive to stick your hand back in the mouth if you can, but you can actually push on the yup. You can push on the back of the throat and it starts to let the air in. I mean, sorry, let the water in to the animal’s lungs and then a little bit, we’ll let you go over drowning. So just a little weird survival tidbit on alligators.

1 (1h 20m 50s):
If you ever find yourself in the clutches of what you can attempt to drown it, if you can get your hand in there,

3 (1h 20m 58s):
FYP, you see me down here. I like standing on the side slightly away from the water. Cause you can’t see the water is dark here. I haven’t this thing about dark water, but living on the boat says we have mountain lions here, but it’s funny. It’s the fishing game. Say we don’t, I have not encountered any this far North. Maybe they’re further E but they’re not I’m in this area. I see plenty of Bobcat’s and plenty of large buckets. We do have a black community, the black Panthers, but they cover such a large territory that you only see them like once in a blue moon or once every so many, 20, 30 years just because they are that reclusive.

3 (1h 21m 40s):
Oh wow. Yeah. The, the, the, the Gators here are ridiculous. My dad has said that he has towards Knoxville and it’s. Yeah, Nope, Nope. That’s a big note.

1 (1h 21m 57s):
We got everything around us lately. Were you there even finding bears around the, around the James river here, which is kind of rare. Yeah. I’ve never even seen a bear in real life. Isn’t that funny? I’ve never, I’ve been in such deep woods. The mountains, the blue Ridge out West. I have never ran up on a deer. I’ve never yeah.

3 (1h 22m 22s):
Everywhere. And actually my share of, I see the musher. Well, I seen a bear in Arkansas. They’re not too common, but you do run into them. I have seen my share of diamond bet. So if you miss your venomous snakes, but

1 (1h 22m 34s):
Oh yeah. I always say the fun things with venom. I am a magnet for venomous things. It’s no good from B’s to Hornets, to rattle snakes. Yeah.

3 (1h 22m 48s):
Right. So Live and we’re going to have to go to message me because I need to know where at Northern Mississippi. So stay away from that area.

1 (1h 22m 56s):
No, you’re freaking Jordan out.

3 (1h 22m 60s):
I’m not freaking out. It’s called caution. It means I’m going to have a little more, more, a little more swivel in my, when I go somewhere, because I love being outside that because I know what the natural predators are here. I’m a little more cautious than most of you want us to be like, Oh, it’s nothing to worry about. I’m good. I’m going to take that extra precaution and be vigilant because I’d hate to be that one person who let their guard down and got hurt because there’s something stupid or, or a minor or a minute

1 (1h 23m 30s):
Till it’s got a hold of you. Right. Then it all of a sudden, it’s a big problem. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the way that it goes. But that’s how we roll here at PBN. You know, we keep our head on a swivel.

3 (1h 23m 48s):
I’m looking forward to that book. Do I need to read, give you my address? Because I’m like, Oh, you mentioned that book. And I’m like, man, I can’t wait.

1 (1h 23m 56s):
Yeah, we’ll get it. I’m going to send an, all the addresses out tomorrow and get the host speakers once the host’s to get it. Then everybody is going to really be talking to us is a great book. It really is a good read. You know, when I got it, I didn’t have a chance to really go through it. I read it on a flight a little bit, but I didn’t get all the way into it. And then once I started to understand what it was all about, I was like, Oh man, it’s just going on the shelf. This is a win here. So yeah, I’m looking forward to level, to level two with William Forgey but I think I’m ready to roll Jordan. You good? Got anything else on your heart or mind for the evening?

3 (1h 24m 36s):
I do not. I actually am ready to get this catered tot and bed. She’s over a year.

1 (1h 24m 43s):
I don’t know if minor is sleep or not. I’ll have to go see,

3 (1h 24m 49s):
I’m surprised if you can hear her herself.

1 (1h 24m 53s):
We heard her it’s so adorable. Who even cares, you know, that’s the way I feel about it. If you’re losing your cool over a little girl, singing in the background, I don’t know. We need more of that. We should probably do like a, we should probably do a good half-hour that anyway, just your little girl, singing, calm everybody down. But

3 (1h 25m 18s):
Do you know what you know right now he does play played the hanky panky. My baby does the hanky panky that puts her to sleep or comms a bad mood. You can’t get mad over that kind of music.

1 (1h 25m 29s):
No way. He was going to be mad about little kids singing in 2020. Right? Well, all right, folks, we we’re going to call it a night on this. Preppers LIVE. I do appreciate your thanks so much for joining us is going to be a big week on PBN. That’s all I can tell you for me Wednesday night is going to be all about the cost of lockdown and restrictions. That’s where my heart and mind is at right now. A really kind of trying to do some research and quantifying. We know what we’re doing with none of us are happy, but none of us really are talking about the effects that it’s having on an any number of things, persons people’s places.

1 (1h 26m 16s):
So I want to explore that on Wednesday night. I’m not sure what the guys are doing Tuesday, but you know, we’ve got the lineup for the week. So don’t forget to join us and Jordan, you’re going to be with us Saturday.

3 (1h 26m 31s):
I’m not sure the Saturday. I know for sure it will be the following Saturday. It’s just going to depend on what’s coming up with the fish. We’re doing things to give it a little early in my house.

1 (1h 26m 42s):
There you have it folks. All right, then we will talk soon. Prebio and family Prebio and family. PVN family. A hope you enjoyed the show. All right. See you later.

4 (1h 26m 55s):
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