December 3, 2022


Self reliance and independence

Preppers LIVE: Fernando ‘FerFal’ Modern Survival

76 min read

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0 (13s):
Prepper Broadcasting Network. We have to hit the reset button to create a true culture of preparedness, starting at a very young age and filtering all the way up.

1 (49s):
What is a PBN family? Preppers LIVE it’s been a while. It’s been a while. I do appreciate you guys joining us tonight. We took off the last week continuity meeting the week before. I don’t even remember who was on the show the week before that, I think it was a William 4g Preppers medical handbook. A great show tonight. We’re going to get right to it. I want to tell you about one thing that I got to the right of me, just because, and, and then we’ll get right to our great guests. We get, we get a ton of great people. We’ve got Fernando for a fall, from a modern survival blog, and we’ve got Dave Jones, the NBC guy and Jordan Ferguson with us tonight.

1 (1m 34s):
So we’re going to have a great Preppers LIVE tonight. I’m sure we’ll focus pretty heavily on, you know, Fernando’s area of expertise, which seems to be more and more pertinent every single day, his personal experience. But I don’t want to tell his story. I’ll let him tell it. I’m sure he can do a way better job than me, but what I have here on the table with me tonight is something very special that just arrived. You’ll remember a couple of weeks ago, I was talking about the Preppers exchange. The member’s only Preppers exchange. This was an idea spawned by one, Melinda Lee. I don’t know if she’s in chat yet.

1 (2m 15s):
I haven’t brought the chat up yet, but I will get there if you are. Thank you. I see volcanic. Thank you very much for categorizing our show and identifying up there on the chat. So the Preppers exchange just real quick. I’m going to give you a quick overview on that, and then I promise you we’ll get the show started, but I have a, I have a box here. It’s about the size of a shoe box, right? With, ah, with a bunch of cool stuff inside of it. I don’t know exactly what’s in there. Well, I do have a pretty good idea of what’s in there, but the way this thing is going to work is we’re going to take one item. I’ll take an item out of this box and keep it. And I’m going to place an item in this box, and then I’m going to send it to another person on our list on another member who is going to receive this box is the Preppers exchange.

1 (3m 3s):
Now I think what we’re going to do is create a Preppers exchange room in element I’m just to have everybody who’s involved in their, and then from there, boom, boom, boom will send, send, send. So some things to think about real quick before this thing gets launched, if you want to be involved, okay, this is unless you have a, if you don’t have a PO box, understand that the Preppers exchange is going to be an op sec atomic bomb, because we’re going to have to have your address and your address is gonna have to be had by someone else. And I don’t know how selective we’ll be able to be with, who gets to send to who type of thing.

1 (3m 48s):
We could put a bunch of L a names out and have you guys do the communication that way, but either way, if you don’t have a PO box, obviously there’s going to be a return address on this thing when you send it. So Prepper exchange, it’s going to be a hell of a lot of fun, put one and take one and you know, the whole thing and kind of even tighter knit RPB and family here with this thing, but just understand that that’s, you know, that’s the deal. There’s going to be a return address on it, on someone else’s going to get that. So from an OPSEC standpoint, you might look at that and go, no way I wouldn’t hold it against ya. All right. So all that said, let’s get the show on the road.

1 (4m 29s):
Let’s get this show on the road. The eye on Liberty shows a couple of days away, and then you can listen to me rant for a couple hours on that. So I’ll keep that at Bay. So first and foremost, I want to get Fernando on so we can talk to him. I feel like most of you guys know who he is, but maybe we could just a Fernando if you don’t mind giving us a quick, I’m just a quick rundown of kind of your experience and how you got into what you do. And then of course plug what you do so that everybody gets a chance to go follow you on to say, find out all that, you know.

2 (5m 6s):
Sure. Yeah. Well, I have been involved in survival and preparedness for almost 20 years now. I, I started getting more notice and the community with my, the polishing on my first book, which is called the Marsh survival manual, surviving the economic collapse, which is based on my experience of, of living in, in Indiana, where I am from in the country, went through an economic meltdown in 2001, learned a lot through that. And since then never stopped. Really. I’ve been learning from classes, from experience, moving around, meeting wonderful people since then that I’ve left that a convener, but out moved out a bunch of times as well and published a couple more books.

2 (5m 57s):
And the latest one they have is called street survival skills, which is a lot of this practical hands-on type of, of knowledge. And that’s where I mostly spend my time dedicated to this. And in my channel, the model survival is on YouTube as well.

1 (6m 18s):
So a wealth of knowledge with us tonight. Folks, if you, if you haven’t heard of them before, I can’t, to be honest, Fernando, I’ve been following you for so long. I don’t even remember when I first heard of you. You know, I only just got back in into, and it’s only because of all the stuff I got going on, but chin set this, meet the meeting up. And I, in fact, he sent me a video of you speaking to your piece on black rifle coffee. I don’t want to get into that, but he’s, I can’t get into that. I’ve been beaten at the desk with our own coffee company. So I don’t want to be a milk that any more than I already have, but, but anyway, I got yet I got that video.

1 (6m 58s):
I really dug it. And I was like, Oh man, yeah, it’d be cool to have him on it. You can say the same thing. So he set this whole thing up, which was really cool of him, a great guy. Oh man, he is a chin. Is he he’s like the ghost of the Prepper community. Like, you know, you know who he is, man, he’s cut his or her Tsosie,

2 (7m 19s):
He’s always there. He’s always floating around somewhere.

1 (7m 23s):
That’s what I think we need to we’ve given him so many nicknames though. I don’t know if we can give him another one, but because he’s been kind of our it guy too, but yeah, I think chin might be the Kaiser San Jose of prepping. Right. That, that could be it anyway. So yeah. W I mean, everybody, we really don’t need to do an overview of where the nation is or even pinpoint sort of one specific threat nowadays. You know, it seems like everything’s turned on to a, a a hundred. Yeah. But I’ll tell you what you have that no other guests has, that we have had on is to be a person who’s lived through a socioeconomic decline or collapse.

1 (8m 3s):
And, you know, I’m sure you have some very unique takes on the things that you’re seeing in America. And I’d love to kinda, kinda, if you could give, when, when Fernando wakes up and looks at the landscape of, you know, politics and the economy and, you know, the cultural revolution that’s happening in America, what are the things that, what are the things that really stand out to you and you make you kind of, you know, we all see things when we read certain news stories or certain headlines that make us twinge, you know, what are the things in the signs that make you twinge when you see a C what’s happening in our nation?

2 (8m 42s):
Well, the, the obvious turn to the left that you you’re all seeing, and you can barely believe, but it’s, it’s one of those things that has a, I mean, I’ve been talking about years, I’ve been talking for years about the economic aspect, the economic meltdown, inflation Howe, you know, the, the, the currency loses its value Fiat currency, but what are the things that I’ve always insisted on? Is, is it a political aspect as well? Because most of this is, is strongly linked to the political, you know, affiliation. And the political side of the government has in, in our case, the disaster, what was strongly linked to a far left government that came back with a vengeance.

2 (9m 30s):
And that’s what I mean, you can recover from an economic downturn if you have the right people in government. You know, if you have people that are open to business, the idea that people will find a way you should have just a clean landscape for people to bring out they’re the best in them and, you know, start their own businesses to well, freedom opportunities. That’s what you want to have. So it’s to rebuild a country that is suffering economically. The worst thing that you can do is, you know, far left a communism and socialism into the mix. And that’s when we, we did in, in Indiana with, with a far left government, that was a horrific, I mean, corrupt as nothing we’ve ever seen before.

2 (10m 15s):
But this idea that the more intervention that you have, the more control that you have, the more freedom that you give up, it’s going to be better in any way that that’s complete madness. And, you know, rather than a lot of Cantina, I think that the best example of this is Venezuela. New Venezuela is a perfect example of what socialism does to a country. So when you, when you, when you have politicians in the United States that are now going to be taking office, and so many of them are strongly affiliated to the idea that Venezuela, or I’m sorry, Suela as, as I heard someone, you know, that that is scary.

2 (10m 55s):
That that is very concerned. Really? It’s, it’s no joke. It’s very serious. And you don’t get rid of that quickly by any means. It’s, it tends to stick around for quite a bit.

1 (11m 6s):
When you are in Argentina, were there, was there a domination of, and I know there was never an influence or kind of population like there is now, or a influence if you will, but were, was there the same level of participation in what was happening in the nation in pop culture? The way it’s represented in America? Because I actually don’t know that piece of the history there.

2 (11m 36s):
Yeah. Even more so, because voting is mandatory in a Hindi. Now you have to vote, you have no choice, but to vote, you can show up and put up empty piece of paper, but you have to show up and vote. It’s mandatory. It’s actually illegal for you not to vote. So you have to show up, you have to be on those lists and you have to show up with your, with your ID and you have to vote. So everyone is involved in this, of course, there’s fraud, as we all know, it happens now and are a big topic of discussion. And it happens in, you know, it’s a lot harder to commit fraud when you, when you actually have to show what would a person.

2 (12m 17s):
So what they would do is drag people in buses and exchange food or money for their vote. So they made sure they were voting for them by dragging them to, to the voting stations. And yes, of course it dead people vote as well as we all know that wouldn’t be a first time either, but, but it’s a very, yeah, everyone is very much aware of the political landscape in a hurricane Dina. We, we have a little bit of a different, you know, take because there’s been a, this, you know, more of a populist, eh, like Beethoven, Evita, that kind of thing has been very strong in the Argentine culture for over 80 years now.

2 (13m 5s):
And it has some variations, but mostly it’s been a left or far left government in control of the country.

1 (13m 15s):
So were there, were there people in, in films and popular culture who were also pushing that, like, were they saying, this is the right, this is the right thing to do. This is the guy we should vote for. It really that’s astounding to me. You know,

2 (13m 30s):
I feel the same for the same reasons, for the same reasons. You, you see them do it in the United States because they get paid. They, they get concerts, they get gigs, they get, they get money out of it. There’s so many cases. So of actresses, actors and singers, you know, celebrities that are endorsing these, the The these politicians in, and if there’s a political party, because they are just getting paid, they’re getting paid for it. So for example, I know a good actress that is, you know, mediocre to say the least she will, all of a sudden get a gig.

2 (14m 10s):
As you talk about feminism, you know, there was one specific Cato of an actress she got paid, like, let’s give it a number like $30,000, four for a gig of speaking about feminism and the national military factory of weapons and ammunition. What, what, what is she actually doing? There makes no sense. I mean, she probably never even showed up, but that’s how it was, you know, and that’s what it was detailed ass. So, and that’s just a drop in the bucket. We’re talking about, you know, hundreds of thousands and millions getting paid for celebrities and, and public figures to endorse these politicians.

1 (14m 49s):
Yeah. It’s astound again, it’s like low level Clinton job. That’s what it reminds me of. One of the, like a low level version of the Clinton speeches were they get paid a half a million, a quarter million to show up and address some people who don’t want to listen to them. Anyway, Dave Jones, you were to steal buddy.

3 (15m 11s):
Well, I hope so chomping at the bit. I know what you know. Okay. Yeah. I have a huge amount of questions. Fernando and I’m going to add, I said I heard the paper unravel. Yeah. Congratulations to you on the deer. Oh, well I got a small dose tonight. Okay. About 60, 70 pounds of meat and got it’s gone out and got it. It’s hanging in the garage right now because it’s a 23.

3 (15m 51s):
What’s add. You had still more than you. You have just a few minutes before you shot it. No, that’s right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I, the reason I’m justifying that is I’m going back. Oh, I got to get me. I think the limit here where I am is like five deer. Whoa. Okay.

1 (16m 16s):
I took the wrong one.

3 (16m 20s):
Here’s the thing. I think their biggest predator is a Buick. I’m not sure what

1 (16m 24s):
The right that’s probably right.

3 (16m 27s):
So they don’t want them running into cars. So they, they give you like a, like four or go in a box. You can nice. Yeah. Yeah. So, but that’s not what I wanted to talk about. Okay. Let me start by saying I have all a Fernando books. Okay. So if, if you want to model your Prepper library after Dave Jones, the NBC guy, I have all of his books. That’s a huge endorsement coming from you.

3 (17m 9s):
And David said, I really appreciate that because I respect you a, a, a great deal and always talk about you. When, when we’re talking about the topic of COVID, you have a grid guy to know, and that’s, that’s about when we came into a acquaintance and there again, through chin the Kaiser. So Shane Prepper community working behind the scenes to get all of us, because you know what he just wants to hear, Hey, I’m going to put these two guys together and I don’t want to hear what you talk about. It’s so true. Yes. So here’s the thing we came together.

3 (17m 51s):
And, and when we started, this was like a year ago or so. And, and we started our nuclear, biological, chemical, and most of the stuff was on radiation and all that kind of stuff. Cause you know, Jim North Korea was going nuts. And then we went right into this.

2 (18m 17s):
Yeah. January, January. We were always talking about this. Remember?

3 (18m 21s):
Yes. Yeah. So what a progression, my gosh. And now to have you on the show, when the leftists are about ready to take over, I have got questions for you. Okay. So you, you are a studier and you analyze it probably because you lived it. Okay. But you look at, there’s a progression that the left does to take over. And, and here’s the thing I know there are points where people need to interject to stop the left taking over.

3 (19m 4s):
Okay. I don’t know what those points are, but maybe you do. And that’s my question. And you see things unfold in the United States. What is really, really important. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead.

2 (19m 22s):
You know, there’s, there’s a, there’s like a couple of very important points. The first of all, U and you know this very well, you know, how they infiltrated the education system on all levels, especially in colleges, people focus a lot on the college. You know, this idea that you send your kids to go to a fancy, expensive college, and all he’s going to be getting is brainwash and to loving Chegg Guevara and that nonsense. But you also have to understand that they do a lot of work in, in schools, in primary schools, even in kindergarten. So what are the things I be very careful now is this, you know, be very careful of who’s going to be in control of the education system on a state level and on a federal level, because they’re going to be going forward even more than they did already.

2 (20m 12s):
You are going to be brainwashing your, your, your kids in kindergarten with this. That’s how they got to this point. That’s how you see all these highly educated and, you know, be, you know, between comas, but these educated, a college guide route graduates to be so fervent left-wingers. And the other thing they do is they scare people away from politics. And that’s something that you don’t. I mean, how many times have you heard? Well, in my show, we don’t talk about religion. We don’t talk about politics. Those are the things that kill a show or a, or a channel, because we we’ve been brainwashed into thinking that you don’t have to talk about this because that’s, that’s like a four little word.

2 (20m 59s):
That’s like a bad word, because anything that’s a politician has to be bad. Well, if you would just let them the bad guys run politics, guess what are you going to be having in charge? You, you cannot count on just one guy being the saver you don’t eat. I mean, a lot of people put a lot of trust and hope in Trump and that’s fantastic. Now you cannot have just one savior doing all a job. You cannot have, you have to be more involved locally. If whatever extend how far or you can reach, go for it. Because the more you get involved with this, the more people you have representing you, the more chance you have a fighting this, if not, they’re going to be taking over. And they’re very good at that.

2 (21m 39s):
And Venezuela is a, is a great example if there’s a bunch of others, but once they get hold of it, you’re never get these. Or like, you know, the fleas on a dog, it’s a very difficult to eradicate or like weed in your garden. Once it’s spread, it’s very difficult to deal with. Well, and that the Democrats kind of, kind of showed their hand that if they get back in power, they are never gonna let up there going to pass the Supreme court there going to make DC and Puerto Rico States. So they get two more senators and never gotten up relinquish in a pouch if they get it.

2 (22m 23s):
What that, that is fantastic. Now, you, you said a bunch of different things that, where we can interject ourselves and take action right now. Yeah. I’ve taken my kids out of school. I’m homeschooling. I I’ve been wrestling with this for many years, these tier, because it COVID, it was like, we, we did it for a half a year or last year. Let’s just do it and do it right. Because the crap that they are being taught in elementary school on up about how terrible the United States is, I couldn’t take it anymore.

2 (23m 6s):
I could that take it. So let me see if I get another one here.

1 (23m 13s):
Those conversations about history in particular are, I mean, they are so vital and I am having them with my son already, just based off of what I’m hearing from his teachers here at home, you know, because he he’s going to school, but he’s going to school in our dining room, you know, and, and I’ve had several, we’ve had to have several conversations already, like sit down and let me explain to you about the things that he’s been told. And to be honest with you, The on, on the, this is the weird part on the teacher level.

1 (23m 55s):
They seem to be echoing something. You know, it’s not an impassion point that they’re making, I’ve had that run-in with a teacher before over, over racism in America. But this, these things that I’m talking to him about are, they’re not impassioned to make these points, but they just say to them, you know, like almost like they’re the ones that have, they’re kind of like the minion level, then the teachers themselves, and the end, the trickle down comes from, like you said, sort of the leadership and the education board. And yeah. I don’t know that. Yeah. The scary part is I don’t know that I would have had those conversations with him if he weren’t at home, because I don’t think that he would have thought about it, thought enough about it to talk about it when you got home.

1 (24m 41s):
You know what I mean? So I wouldn’t have recognized it as an issue, but when you were right next to them, you can go, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.

2 (24m 46s):
Yeah. And what do you have to be very involved? I mean, I have three kids. I have a, my, my oldest kid is, is already in university started and, you know, starting engineering doing great. And you know, you don’t look that old. Yeah. Yeah. I have a two-year-old as well. So yeah, a bit pretty busy, but a week with my quite a spread. But with my oldest son, he he’s had teachers that were done right. Common is, and you know, the way you handled it was, you know, always being open, you know, instead of telling him what I think, asking him, what do you think, what do you think about this?

2 (25m 32s):
What do you think about that? And you smart kids. W if you lead them the right way, they will figure it out on their own. And I find that to be a lot better than just telling him you, you have to hate this guy because he’s, you know, he’s, he’s a thinking coffee. Instead of that. I just, I just tell him, you know, what, what do you think about this? Or did you know about this event in history? Do you know that these, you know, these people that this, you know, at this period of time, and maybe you want to look into that and they find, they figure things out on their own, you know, but it’s important to be involved. I like being with my family. I liked being with my kids. I liked talking with them.

2 (26m 13s):
And that is so important. These days is more important than ever, because if you’re not that void is going to be filled with the, the junk that the, the, the establishment once to fill your, your kids’ head with it. So you have to be very involved on that.

1 (26m 31s):
Yeah. It’s a crazy thing. You know, my, the, the standout example was we have this place in Richmond called monument Avenue and monument Avenue has been a really place over the last year because of the monuments, primarily on that strip are also surrounded by people, rich people with big homes in the city. And those monuments were primarily civil war heroes. And, okay. And the comment that my son’s teacher made was that the men on those monuments were bad men. And it was, you know, I didn’t, I didn’t, I sorta like what you said, Fernando, I didn’t clarify or break down sort of the, the list of reasons why they were, or weren’t bad men to my son.

1 (27m 21s):
But the point that I conveyed to him was they led the soldiers of the South who, because my son is I’m from Philadelphia, but my son is, you know, he lives in Richmond and his mom is from Richmond. So his lineage is in the people who were led by these bad men through the eyes of the school. So I just kind of explain that to him. I said, okay, these guys are bad men. Then they lead your ancestors. And that means that they’re saying that these people, your great-great-grandfather was a bad man, because of you, you know, that type of thing. And it clicked in his head sort of right away. And he’s like, how could everybody in the South be a bad person?

1 (28m 4s):
And I said, well, that’s kind of it. That’s kind of it.

2 (28m 7s):
Yeah. And at the same time, how is it that those, those men were bad people, but the The the murderers, it, the, the savages that they support that they believe are, are the right way to go. Some of it, you know, millions killed by, by communism. Those were what exactly good people, the people that we went to follow,

1 (28m 30s):
I’ve got a few things wrong. That’s all the whole, you know, having enough food to feed people and killing your political enemies, that if we can just take care of that, then it will be good. Yeah. But yeah, I’m in the, in the chat room real quick, Melinda Lee asked Fernando, if you had any advice about how to approach and bring people who have, and I don’t know if there’s a possible Melinda, just from my opinion, to bring people back to the light who have kind of been, you know, through the system and indoctrinated and they watch CNN and, you know, the type, I mean, they’re all around.

2 (29m 6s):
Yeah. I think I watch everything. I, I, I check CNN, I check Fox. What, what I try, what I do myself. And I also try to teach my children is who’s behind those interests. Why is, why is this media presenting this view of things? Why is CNN saying the things they do? Why is foxing? They say that the things they do, what is it that they change all of a sudden angles on certain things and who owns this media group, you know? And what’s the, the, the interest of those people, what I try to do and what she’s asking, she she’s, she makes a great point. It’s not easy.

2 (29m 46s):
I try to do my best through my channel, through the, the, the social media that they have. And every once in a while. And fortunately, it’s quite often, I get messages are very encouraging from people that tell me, you, you opened my eyes to lots of these things. I, I got myself a gun. I never thought I’d be a gun owner, but I saved up, I got this kid that told me I was saving up for an iPhone, and I ended up buying a clock. And that made my day, that made my day.

3 (30m 19s):
That is, yeah. Hey, was your channel. So if they want more of what they’re getting to hear tonight, how can they get more of you?

2 (30m 30s):
Yeah. Well, I have my channel. It’s called the modern survivalist in YouTube, and they have it in Spanish as well. So for the Spanish community, it’s called the for the English folks. That’s the model survivalist. And they do these, the Shows with med practice on weekends. They’re a very popular people like those as well.

3 (30m 51s):
Yes, I do too. Thanks. Thanks.

2 (30m 56s):
So, yeah, it’s, it’s not easy, you know, it’s not easy, but it’s tried to do your, I mean, and that’s just my thing. I like doing these, these things. I like doing the videos and interacting with people, but maybe for someone else, that’s more, you know, eh, politically, politically involved and has more of a network in your community. Maybe you can actually run for office. Maybe you can run for something in your and your local community. Maybe you can be somewhat of a authority in your school, such as to dictate a little bit of the kind of content that your kids will end up seeing, you know, everyone has to find their own path, but the more you do, and I insist on this, don’t be afraid of getting involved.

2 (31m 40s):
Don’t be afraid of being political because political is the only way in which you fight this as well. You know, if you don’t find it a political, you will have to fight it in a, in another, a far more, a horrific manner down the road, because that’s been the lesson from, from communism, from social.

3 (32m 1s):
Well, yeah. And, and where we’re living today is way different from where you were living back then, because social media seems to make things happen in like a nanosecond yeah. Wind when you experienced the collapse in Argentina. That was what? 20 years ago. Yeah. 2001. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I mean, that, that was the thought that you just put in my head right now. I have other questions. So I got to go back because I’m old and forgetful. So, you know, you were on a, one of my Shows I interviewed you for a collapse happened, and I have to tell you, it was one of my most popular shows.

3 (32m 51s):
It was you and Maria. She lived through Romania, ciao Chesko and all that kinda stuff. And, and it was basic questions. What happened in all that, but as you look at our boat, okay, the vote that just happened. Yeah. And, and of course you say that in Argentina, it’s mandatory, which I, I think that should be the way it is in the United States, but it’s not. What are you seeing here that correlates to the other countries that you have studied and how this, how this all went down?

2 (33m 35s):
Yeah. Well, there’s going to be differences. It’s unavoidable because you were talking about the United States and that we also keep in mind, you, I used to use has a massive government, has a government that it, you know, reaches everywhere. And that is that that can be quite dangerous as well in the wrong hands, especially in the hands of the people that, that you’re seeing right now, the way in which they, they make you afraid of talking the way in which people even ended up fighting among themselves. If families that don’t speak to members, you know, families divided.

2 (34m 15s):
I think that what are the, the, the greatest successes they’ve had with this has been that the division you’ll the breaking of society and making it used to be that you could have a Democrat, you know, a daughter-in-law or whatever, and that didn’t change much. It was still family. You would still set for dinner. Now you’re an enemy. Now they’re not speaking to you anymore. And they just hate your guts. So they’ve been very successful at manual collating this from a, eh, from a, a, a social media, you know, way as well. That’s been very, very useful the way in which we are affected by what we think that we go online.

2 (34m 56s):
And we’re just, you know, looking at things, you know, you’re getting fed information, you’re getting emotions, you’re getting reactions that they want to be to have you. They want the, if they want you to get angry, if, if they want to get, get upset at a certain type of news, they know exactly what you’re looking for, how much you stare at a certain image images, what type of contents you read. So all of that is being used against you in this type of a situation. And it’s being used to form that the, the, the, the, the social opinion of things.

3 (35m 36s):
Yeah. So they’re

2 (35m 38s):
Using Facebook, Google, Twitter, and, and the difference between us and Democrats is we think they’re wrong. They think we’re evil, correct? Yeah. So, yeah, the difference between a political adversary, which is what it used to be, and now you’re an enemy. Now you are someone that needs to be destroyed. That’s the scary part. That’s the big change.

1 (36m 12s):
So, one of the things I was thinking before we got started, Fernando when I talked to you briefly about it, a on the way into the show was, you know, you having lived through what you lived through and us being well, I should probably mention the fact that I feel compelled lately, not in everything that we do, obviously, because there’s total freedom at the hands of the hosts here at PBN. We don’t have a content calendar or anything like that. But personally, I feel compelled lately to give, to give some bits of hope where I can to the listeners, because people are in such a, I mean, it’s insane where people are mentally, some of, you know what I mean?

1 (36m 56s):
And, and, and it’s not a, a, it’s not a weakness thing. I don’t think, I think it’s just an overwhelmed sort of thing. And I, I wanted to get your take on. Yeah, go ahead, Jordan.

2 (37m 10s):
I’m going to say, I think the word you’re looking for is low in spirit spirit, and our drive has just been sucked out of them.

1 (37m 22s):
Yeah. That’s perfect. And you, you, you know, I get nervous. I say it’s the first time ever. Yeah. I’ve been talking about the end of all. Things to come and writing about it for a long time. And this is the first time where it’s like, I don’t think people need to hear it. You know, I think that, I think the better thing to do is to give them a little bit of hope. So I wanted to see what your thoughts were on, you know, some of the, some of the things in America that really stand against, or, or have the ability to stand against what is happening.

2 (37m 55s):
Yeah. Yeah. Look, there’s, there’s, there’s very, there’s a lot of things to be positive about a, you have the second amendment that defends your, your right in spite of whatever law they may end up coming with or whatever regulation or whatever band they may end up coming up with. You still have the second amendment, which is, you know, you’re recognizing your God giving right to defend yourself or your family and your country. That that’s a wonderful thing to have it. It’s, like I said, that’s not the end all solution for all things that that’s coming, but it’s, it’s it, it’s a great leverage. It’s a great section, a safety net for that final, you know, resource, if it ends up coming to that sort of thing.

2 (38m 40s):
So that’s something we talk about in this survival and Prepper community a lot. But beyond that, you also have the advantage of this hasn’t been going on long enough, so less to lose hope. You know, if you’re, for example, in Cuba, man, you’re, you’re done, you know, I mean, if you’re a Cuban citizen, you’re completely disarmed, you are completely brainwashed. You, you have no hope of achieving anything in a place like that. The only hope you have is jumping off on a, on a car tire and swimming your way to Miami. That’s the only hope you have. So, and, you know, yeah.

2 (39m 21s):
And in Venezuela, it’s kind of the same thing. Now that the slippery slope slope is a very real thing in, in Venezuela, you know, 20 years went by very fast in Venezuela. So just to make people hopeful and the good news is it hasn’t been 20 years yet. It hasn’t been five years yet. Don’t give it a one year because what are the things these people do is they move very fast in that. This is one of the things we definitely saw in a container and studying other events similar in Venezuela was the same thing. They move fast in, in taking control.

2 (40m 1s):
The left is very good at that. Yeah, you have to give the credit for it. There they’re very good at a very vicious at being power hungry and being, you know, having no remorse whatsoever and the way they achieve that. So be very careful regarding that. And don’t let them take one hitch any little bit you can fight for, has to retain, or, you know, I, I measure a lot of reason then to do that, but you still have time. You still have time sense to have your, your, your, your victories here in the United States is a very big country.

2 (40m 41s):
You have 50 different States. You have, if you’re a County level, you have lots of things where you can keep fighting the good fight and all of it’s in every sense of the word in your local community. So, so get involved, be positive about that and try to be a positive influence in your community.

1 (41m 1s):
Yeah. That’s huge. The power where the individual is a, well, it’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot lately, but it’s also, you know, it’s, it’s one of those things that if you can get over the fear of rejection, you can be pretty effective, at least from my experience. But I think a lot of people are paralyzed by fear of rejection.

2 (41m 21s):
What are the things, maybe one of the things that has been a common trait among the Preppers survival is is we, we, we like to stay low key, and we’d like to be a great man. You know, We w we don’t like raising our hands and being The, you know, like being the mom, that’s still organizing the class, and they’re the ones that is forming the WhatsApp group, and you’re in your kids’ school. And, but you, you have to start doing that more and more. That’s the way in which you start getting into these positions where you can influence your local community. This is something that we just have to change our mindset. I started doing more. Look, I do my thing with what I have with my experience in the, the, the tools I have at hand for someone else, it may be completely different for someone else’s, you know, getting in your, in your fire department or being a representative or the folks that you work with or whatever it is, or, or maybe running for whatever office you have in your, in your community.

2 (42m 21s):
Maybe there’s something that you can actually do. So getting involved and not being scared of the word, Oh, he’s going to be running for something that’s political. Well, good for you. I mean, if you have the option of being a political figure for good, then by all means do that because we need that more than ever.

1 (42m 44s):
I would agree with you Fernando and it seems like where they are. I mean, that’s probably the biggest disparity between both sides, right.

2 (42m 54s):
Where they, they’re not afraid of doing that.

1 (42m 56s):
Yeah. Yeah. They’re, they’re much better at organizing. And I think that that has to do with they’re, like Dave was saying, they’re allied with social media, so it’s easy to put out a post that goes to a, you know, probably a billion people or something like that. If you were to count up all the major accounts that, that a, a popular post can hit, whereas, you know,

2 (43m 20s):
You have the mainstream media, the media, Promoting everything they do well on the other hand, if you and I go out and, you know, have a, a, a little rally and start conversations with people, you are, you’re a, a, a far right gun nut, which starting his own militia.

1 (43m 37s):
Oh, yeah, for sure. Well, you know, there, there is something that I have been thinking about Fernando, and it is kind of a, and it may be necessary at some point it’s probably necessary now, but it’s a lot it’s. And, and it, it requires people to think above and beyond their own sort of a living situation in their income. But one of the things that I have been mulling over lately, and I wouldn’t have the power to do it on my own anyway, is yeah. I think, I think we need a megaphone, like a megaphone Network or a megaphone output opportunity. And I just don’t know, I don’t know if that’s possible, but I know that there are a lot of people who have a lot of followers and, and a chunk of a voice.

1 (44m 26s):
And I’m starting to wonder if it wouldn’t take a serious collection of some of the bigger names in, in conservatism and survivalism and all of that to come together and drag their audiences willingly, or otherwise to one platform. So that when we do a show like this, for example, it hits our fan, you know, PBNs fans, your fans, but then also a much broader range of people because that’s, that’s the weapon that we don’t have, you know, on, on our side of things, a weapon we don’t have is just that it’s, it’s the ability to get a message is important because we’ve had some amazing.

1 (45m 11s):
And so if you have some amazing conversations, some incredibly, incredibly important things have been said, but you know, the, the The the output just isn’t, it isn’t mainstream. It’s not that big. Yeah. You know what I mean? It, there are limits too, you know, you could break the biggest story in the world, but it’s only going to get to so many people and that’s where we’re losing, I think,

2 (45m 37s):
Yeah. It’s definitely one of the, the, the main things that you have going for them is that anything they do, anything they say is going to be repeat a time and again, by the mainstream media while, well, Dave and I were talking to you about COVID back in January and, you know yeah, sure. The folks that we’re listening to, our, our, the The podcast, the channel is those folks who were like, wow, you, you call this in, in January 28th. I think it was, yes. It’s despite or spreading. How is that? You can protect yourself from that and know all the meantime, it was not even news yet. And even when it was, it was, well, folks shouldn’t be wearing a mask because that’s not protecting.

2 (46m 19s):
And we were talking, we were, we were talking with David about the different things you can do. And only months later, did they start not only saying that it was a good idea to have a respirator or a gas mask, that sort of thing, but all of a sudden, now it was mandatory to have a one of these surgical mask thing. So it’s, yes, it is definitely a, a, a, an advantage that they have and a disadvantage that we have, and maybe, maybe getting together a collection of all the conservative. Right, right. Leaning, leaning, you know, the channel, the networks and websites. It would be nice to have a, an association of all of them.

2 (47m 1s):
Right. Yeah. Hey, thanks for pointing that out. That we, that we were talking about this back in January. Yeah. Yeah. Here’s the thing, I think we need to bring everybody to a PBN. This is a gauntlet is a gauntlet I’m throwing down in front, the Intrepid

3 (47m 30s):
Commander. Okay. Now look, you, you got connection, you got people for sure. And I think PBM is the perfect, the perfect platform for this consolidation, this unity, you know, and, and the possible, yeah. The 12th of December, there’s going to be a big rally in Washington, DC. And I would love for the news media to see a flag being flying with PBN on it, you know, you know, you started somewhere, right.

3 (48m 19s):

1 (48m 21s):
Well, that may not. I think that’s kind of what I’m talking about though. Dave is one American news would be an example of the type of entity that would have to mesh. I’m talking about one less places like that. Meshing with places like the blaze, you know, big, big megaphones that have to come together in, instead of parsing people out, pooling these big voices together, you know, because that’s what it takes.

3 (48m 59s):
Well, I’m, I’m talking, prepping because prepping is no longer fringe after the school year. After this year, it has become mainstream, which by the way, I got to put a plug in for fortitude ranch. They bought the property in Northern Nevada, and I just got off a zoom call before a shot. The deer tonight, actually I was on the zoom call while our shot, the deer. Yeah. Talk about your distraction. But drew said that the property in Northern Nevada is the most ready and prepared of all the sites he has right now.

3 (49m 53s):
And it’s hard to believe, but he, he went over to the water and the structure’s and everything like that. So anybody that’s listening that once to join in as a member, it’s a membership type thing. It’s not a condo or anything like that. And you’re in the, and the West coast area, you know, LA no, you can’t get out now. Okay. But when you can get out

2 (50m 29s):
The fortitude ranch as a plan B, because the memberships, Oh, another thing he, he led it out of the bag that after January the memberships and the tokens are going to go up. So either, either one of those things, if you buy tokens, the tokens are called fortitude. Or if you buy a membership, now is the time to do it. If you’d been on the fence back and forth, all that kind of stuff, if will never be cheaper than right now. And you get 10% off, if you say you heard it from Dave Jones in the NBC guy.

2 (51m 11s):
So there you go. And that’s that, I’m, I’m very excited about the Nevada property because it’s huge. It’s Northern Nevada. There’s several houses on it. It’s like a, a, a 170 acres. It’s got to own water, everything.

1 (51m 32s):
You bring up a good point, Dave Jones. And that is the, the getting out of Dodge aspect. And I’d like to get, Fernando’s take on that. Is that a, is that pretty viable or was that, I guess it’s a different situation, but was that pretty viable in, in your experience?

2 (51m 52s):
You know, it’s specially in the States, it’s got to be a, a, a, a huge difference for people where you are, because it, and this is something we talk about w w with Matt a lot in, in my channel is, you know, if you’re in one of these blue States where your, the education is against you, the, the, the law enforcement is against you. They’re not prosecuting criminals anymore because it’s considered like a, and will persecute poor persecuted minorities. So crime is going up. It’s going to be more important than never to be in the right place. Now, in, in the case of Argentina, it’s a little bit different because I’m sure you have, it’s not a as, as federal in that regard.

2 (52m 35s):
So if you have mostly biocides and a couple of the larger cities, and there’s not going to be that much of a big change. So if you are in, what are the provinces, for example, but in the United States, that will be clearly one of the difference. It makes a big difference where you are. So you want to get into a, a, a place where, where you know, that the, the, the local sheriff has your back, the governor, the governor is changed, you know, but the mayor of where you live has your back as well. That’s a kind of thing you, you definitely want to look into. And if making a change, I mean, there’s lots of people that left California and New York, you know, I never stopped hearing the people that left those places, because they’re becoming unlivable.

2 (53m 21s):
It’s impossible for people to live in those places. So it happens a lot that people have left California all year. They’ve been living in New York as well, and going to places like Texas, going through players, where you, you know, it’s more like minded folks, are you going to be surrounded with?

1 (53m 43s):
Yeah, it’s a move that a lot of people are currently making, you know? And then you think, so what was the condition in, in urban centers was, it was a terrifying, terrible. Where were you located in all of this Fernando and w what were you seeing on a day to day basis?

2 (54m 2s):
Well, but you know, this all started back in 2000, 2001, but I still lived in a way that a container for you, you know, for, for many years after that, it’s, it was a, a decade of seeing the country go down year by year. You know, the, the inflation was terrible. I was living in like the, in the suburbs, a shell in the suburbs of where the site is, which were, you know, I lived in a nice area, you know, ah, you know, the upper middle class would be a great, a good way of putting it. So I, I lived in a, in an upper middle class area, but I was surrounded of horrible poverty, you know, left right North, South, East, and West.

2 (54m 46s):
I had poverty all around me. So we were like in a little, eh, in a little bubble, but you just saw this degrade very much throughout the years. The, the shanty towns grew year by year. I mean, month by month, all of a sudden there was a, a chunk of land that was, you know, the, the, the local authority basically gave it up for, for them for surprise and, and the squatters as a takeover. And they start building, you have a, you know, they’re, they’re, they’re, you know, a little 10 cities and a little bit of material, but basically shantytowns started sprouting over the place and just growing and growing.

2 (55m 34s):
And all of that went along with, with a horrible, a crime as well. W what escalated and got worse year by year. Now we had four years, you know, what was it like in 2015? I think it was 2015 that we, we had a, a conservative president within the elections, a guy called Mauricio Merkley. He was, he was actually friends with Trump. Business-friendly type of a guy, you know, very well educated engineer, but, you know, it was four years of him, but it was every little thing he did was sabotage every, you know, strikes every single day, the roadblocks in, in strikes.

2 (56m 22s):
And Y you know, the kids don’t going to school because the teacher’s union was against him. So it was impossible. It was sabotage all over anything that he did was wrong, and he was destroyed and encourage, you guys don’t stop. It was impossible for him to run the country and he still managed to do a good job, but he ended up losing the elections. And that was it. And the same people that had been running the country for the last 13 years ended up going back in power.

3 (56m 59s):
Dang. Fernando I can’t remember if I read it in your book, or if you told me this on our last interview, but The, there was, you know, Argentina was a very affluent and had, yeah, sorry, sorry. I’m, I’m getting feedback from upstairs. She’s telling me there’s, there’s a raccoon at the chicken coop, but yet I know I can’t get away from the wards.

3 (57m 43s):
The warden is always monitoring me. You said that people would talk about vacationing on, on, at this place or that place, you know, around, around work. And that’s the way it was just a few years ago. Yeah. After the collapse, it was like all they had the live on with the memories.

2 (58m 13s):
Yeah. Yeah. You were, I mean, it was, especially during the nineties, it was, you were making more money working, you know, like, you know, an executive, you know, ma bank manager, you weren’t making more money in India than the United States. So for example, you, back in those days, a manager will be making $10,000 a month, a hundred, you know, a hundred a thousand a year, or a 120 a year. And that same guy with that same job will not be making nearly as much money living in the United States. So every once in a while you heard of people that they got offered a job opportunity in UACs, and they will say, no, I’m, I’m good.

2 (58m 57s):
I’m staying here because I’m making more money in our hand, in Argentina than in us. And, and you’d go in for holidays to the United States, but not live there because it was not financially as, as good of a, of a gig for you. So it was a, a, a country where you had a solid middle-class for quite some time, but it’s, it’s always been going down since that, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s been going 80 years. A lot of populism left wing politics has, has very much destroyed the country.

2 (59m 37s):
And it is now a shadow of its former self. Unfortunately.

1 (59m 42s):
Yeah. Well that, I mean, that seems to be sort of the pattern, right? Yeah. Wherever it touches, that kind of seems to be the pattern.

2 (59m 50s):
Yeah. And you know what, it’s so, so very difficult to see it. When you are in niche where you are in the country, you don’t always realize how far things have the grade. I find that to be the case that when you’re looking from the outside and you, when you travel every once in a while, you see the changes more so than the people in it, you know, people don’t realize how far, and this is something that maybe folks relate to it when you look around and you don’t you say, Oh, I don’t recognize America anymore. What has happened here? That kind of thing. It’s even more noticeable when you are not in it.

2 (1h 0m 32s):
And the loss of quality of life, the loss of, of quality, of education, of, of how far your, your wages go. All of that is, you know, things are changing and it’s not only, it’s, it’s pretty much a cross across the globe thing. Well, there

1 (1h 0m 50s):
Or places Fernando right now that are, you know, go kill that raccoon, Dave Jones.

2 (1h 0m 59s):
We are We

1 (1h 1m 1s):
Places in the nation right now. And we are the group of people who have probably been talking about, you know, be aware of things like martial law for a very long time, but there are most certainly places in the nation right now that they’re not under the boot and the, and the flak jacket and firearm version of martial law. But they’re definitely under some sort of a gov, a governor imposed martial law. You know, there are places not, not where I live, but that are under curfew. You know, obviously you can go to a store. You can only go to certain places in certain times.

1 (1h 1m 42s):
And you know, it’s

2 (1h 1m 44s):
California seems to be terrible there. They’re not letting people open business. There was this woman crying and social media that she was not allowed to even have a couple tables outdoors. At least I have a few customers, but a movie, a movie set where the wrong fit that was allowed in her same parking lot. So the, the, the movie Buffett was okay, so to serve the people, but her business was not, was not getting the permits to operate in the same spot.

1 (1h 2m 17s):
That’s what I mean. And that’s, that’s people living in some sort of martial law situation, and it’s hard to realize it. And even for, even for me, I didn’t really think about it that way until just recently where I was like, Whoa, like I thought martial law would be a thing that would come with people with, you know, you know, national guard in the streets. I didn’t realize that. All right. Yeah. I didn’t realize we would just bow down and say like Melinda Lee and Chad says Columbus, Ohio under a 10:00 PM curfew. And I was talking to Erica Giusti on his show today, the tread cat night podcast.

1 (1h 2m 56s):
And he said the same thing. There is a curfew where he’s at, nobody’s enforcing it, but it’s just the idea that, you know, these things are in play already. Like we’ve for years have been writing about martial law and it’s in play.

2 (1h 3m 12s):
You, do you remember the Chaz, you know, the, the autonomous country known as the Chaz. I mean, how, th that was the stuff of fiction who would have thought that you would have a separate country within the United States where there was no, no law. I mean, they had their own law therefore, or how long was it? I mean, we all laugh at it. I laugh at it as well, but imagined all of a sudden, a few blogs of, of, of a city in America to police are not allowed in here. No, we make our own rules here. I just imagine that’s crazy.

1 (1h 3m 49s):
I just imagine the men of say 1960 America and, and something like, you know, if you could transport about 10 to 20 dads, angry steel mill type dads from 1960 and tell them that downtown, there’s a bunch of teenagers and such who have decided that they’re going to take over the spot and make your city a living hell, man, it would have been, it would have been a short-lived experiment. I can tell you that much.

2 (1h 4m 23s):
So you, you didn’t have to go back that far. And the 1990s, if a bunch of guys, a bunch of commies decided that are going to be roadblocking and taking over to the police department is the two thousands people taking over a police department, or what, what, what are we talking about? What’s this kind of crazy talk. How would you possibly allow that people get shot over that people get shot trying to take over a police department and right.

1 (1h 4m 53s):
So my opinion, you know, there has to be, there has to be some sanctity in it. All. I remember growing up in Philly, when a guy I got to get this guy’s name, because I’ve talked about this all the time lately, and I don’t go back and do the due diligence, but it was a Mohamed. And he, you might remember it in the night when I was a kid, I remember being very young, maybe nine or eight, and he shot a cop and he was on trial. And it was, it was, the trial was a big deal because this guy was going to get the death penalty. And it was like on the news all the time. And there was, it was, you know, there was no exceptions. There was no, it was just pretty straightforward back in those days, you know, my dad was the same way he told us about it.

1 (1h 5m 39s):
You know, you don’t want to mess with the cops. You were, you weren’t afraid to the cops the way most people claim to be afraid of the cops today, but you knew it was just out of the question. You know, it wasn’t one of these things where it was like, you know, like haul off and beat a cop up tonight and get drunk, beat up a cop, you know? And that’s what it’s like nowadays, like, let’s go have some beers and get him to fight with the police. And it was just different growing up. It was, you know, you, you mess with a cop and there was some serious repercussions. And now they’re just rolling into the police stations and take him over. And nobody goes to the jail.

2 (1h 6m 10s):
You know, checking, listen at tagging a police department was the kind of a thing that only Terminator in movies. That’s hilarious. That was one of my, and barely so barely. So when he went into that, that police department, they all started shooting at him and they couldn’t put him down because he was on a machine from the future. But all of a sudden, a bunch of commies decided they’re going to be taking over a police department and they just handed over what kind of a crazy talk is that,

1 (1h 6m 43s):
You know what it is. Fernando and I’ve been talking about it since June. Yeah. Since about June. It was, it’s the idea of, and it’s an unfavorable position and I wouldn’t never forced it upon anybody, but it is my position, in my opinion, based on what I’ve seen through history, a little violence in the beginning saves a tremendous amount of violence later on. Right. Right. And I’m sure you probably saw events like that in Argentina where it’s like, if we’d stopped this shit right now, we would not have had to deal with it the way we had to deal with it back then. And it might have been ugly and it might’ve been bloody, but it might’ve been one night instead of a decade of bloody, you know?

1 (1h 7m 26s):
And I think, I think we might’ve missed.

2 (1h 7m 28s):
What do you have? You know, if you have a country, if you have rule of law, then you have the poll that law, you cannot uphold it selectively. You cannot say, okay, you, you, you can murder people that a little bit. That’s okay. I mean, what were they were they, they were not seized. Oh, sure. Okay. It’s okay. They’ll go beat up that, that white guy, because he probably said something nasty, right? That that’s, we’re going to be looking the other way, this time. You, you want to take over to this police department because you feel offended because of whatever. Yeah, sure. We’re not going to be enforcing the law anymore.

2 (1h 8m 8s):
You know, go, go there and have a good time burn down a city. That’s okay. Because you were upset because you feel that that’s the kind of thing. You cannot have it in a country where you have rule of law. The law applies to everyone. You cannot go attacking innocent people. ’cause you feel that they’re racist or you thought that they, they, they spoke poorly about your cat or whatever. And that’s no excuse for breaking the law at the same way. It’s no excuse. We’re taking over to the police department or, or looting a store. You know, that’s a kind of a thing. That’s the imbalance a lot.

4 (1h 8m 44s):
That’s the imbalance right now. Fernando is the guys who would show up in the days of old, the civilians who would show up in the days of old to handle punks like that. They’re the ones who go to jail now. And that’s why people sit at home. I think, I think they know if we go down here and raise our version of hell, which is in support of the law, we’re going to jail and these kids are going to go back to their dorm. You know what I mean?

2 (1h 9m 12s):
Yeah. The cops, they, they get fired and they’re afraid of, of doing their job. That’s part of the big problems we ha we have right now, cops being afraid of doing their job because they they’re going to be fired for upholding the law for stopping a looter. It’s it’s a thinkable, but that’s how we, how we ended up in this position.

4 (1h 9m 38s):
Nah, you’re a a hundred percent. Right. And unfortunately, and unfortunately, you know, and I’m not to add, like, I don’t know. I’m just saying, no, go ahead, Jordan jump right in.

5 (1h 9m 52s):
So that’s where it started. But if you really think back, it started when they started persecuting people from stuff and then themselves, from being a victim, when you help the owners could be a little longer protect their own home to their own rights without being seen. I mean, how ridiculous is it that we see people who have attacked and shot here locally up in Memphis, a family sued the store clerk who defended herself and pulled a gun and shot the guy who had a gun in her face sued her because it was not her place to carry a gun at work. That was their argument, that there was not her place to protect herself. She should’ve just complied.

5 (1h 10m 33s):
So our issue is, is we have we have, what, what is the word work we’ve made? The did the attacker we’ve we’ve, we’ve crammed them. We’ve made them something that they are not in the victim is in the wrong. I mean, we, we took all those rights away. When we started telling people you no longer have a right to be your own hero. And then we want to take away the place on top of that. So, I mean, we’ve slowly been destroying our own in that way is when we start taking away what the actual definition of right and wrong, then we’ve already down so far

3 (1h 11m 14s):
Or a path it’s going to take a big act to get us back into where we need to be.

4 (1h 11m 20s):
No, I agree. I think a lot. Yeah.

3 (1h 11m 22s):
There’s been a reversing of the rolls that the victim it’s actually the, the bad guy. And then the thug is the poor is the poor victim of the evil capitalist system. And it goes back, it goes back to this political, it ends up being a political it’s all, it’s so political. It’s the The politicized. The criminality, you know,

4 (1h 11m 50s):
No, you were a hundred percent right there. And the legislation being put in place in a lot of places, particularly around second and first amendment is, is further incriminating. The average American citizen, you know, whether or not it’s meant to be that way or not, that’s what’s happening. You know, where you carry your weapon that you use for self defense, that you are being put into a corner where you have to make a decision, just like Jordan’s talking about just like that lady was put in a position. Do I carry the firearm to protect my life and deal with the consequences after and spend each day of my life with this added level of stress that I’m doing something outside of the law.

4 (1h 12m 33s):
But then again, the law itself is outside of the law because it’s not, you know, it doesn’t stand up against the constitution anyway. And you, you know, we really, you know, we really need like a, some kind of massive wipe from the Supreme court while we have it, somebody should just do a serious audit, constitutional audit of, of state level laws that are affecting the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, eighth amendments. You know what I mean? That that’s really what the nation needs.

3 (1h 13m 4s):
When I think recently that I started to happen in Virginia, where they put the lock down on and they said, you can’t go to church. And now, and now what do you remember when they had the second amendment sanctuary counties they’re having first amendment sanctuary counts.

4 (1h 13m 26s):
That’s right.

3 (1h 13m 28s):
So maybe it’s a thing from the ground up. Well, that’s, it,

4 (1h 13m 33s):
It comes down to the enforcement, you know, that’s where their PA if, if the government itself, if the, the legislative and executive branches, well, I really, if all three branches aren’t going to stand up when the constitution is being trashed, the way it is, then it comes down to, what’s going to be enforced. And I think that’s where we’re at. That’s why I keep talking about, you know, Q Maine and thoughtful civil disobedience in a time like this, because that’s a, that’s what I think the only option you have is now a days, you know, you have to have, you have to look, go ahead.

3 (1h 14m 12s):
We’re no, no, that, that was one of my questions tonight because you know, there’s the intersecting points. But before I go into that, I wanted to say, yeah, you can get a lap dance in a pink, go to church. Okay. And, and you’re trying to picture, this is the stripper wearing a mask. That’s the least of your worries that they try to, they try to find ways of using everything as a political weapon.

3 (1h 14m 53s):
So you have the pandemic. Okay. You are not allowed to have a religious expression, but you’re allowed to gather in protest, I guess the police, because that’s okay. So every, everything is tainted by the political agenda who is whoever’s in charge.

5 (1h 15m 11s):
Well, it’s morality versus unfortunately like you said, the tables have turned it’s, it’s good to be a moral one, bad to be moral. I mean, unfortunately you hit that point where then sales being a good person and doing the right thing is no longer looked upon as integrity is looked upon as this terrible act. And it’s absolutely ridiculous that we can’t gather too to celebrate our own certain things or praise God. But heck we can go pick up a stripper or whatnot and have no issues. I mean, it’s just absolutely mind boggling. And I’ve said it before is we have, so we have so turned the tables on our own people, as far as the morality and morals and everything.

5 (1h 15m 53s):
That, what the heck are we leaving for our kids? I mean, it’s just one of those things where I push. Yeah. Like, like Dave and I and James and all the other parents is we do what we can to teach on our end because we know there’s no way. And pardon my language, no way in hell. There going to be teaching our children’s rights stuff out there. The only way we’re going to do it is if we do it ourselves,

3 (1h 16m 16s):
That’s it? Yeah. It’s all. Yeah. It’s all motivated because this is all part of the ultimate plan, which is destroying that the basic cell block that constructs a healthy society. What is that family having a, you know, parents having a, a, a, a, a moral compass, that’s the kind of thing that they want to destroy. They want to destroy the, the core of society, which his family, he hates having a, a normal family. You know, I’m a mom, a dad, kids.

3 (1h 16m 56s):
They hate the idea of them not being the ones in charge of everything. What’s the destroyer that it’s a lot easier to control society. I mean, they’re doing a heck of a job.

2 (1h 17m 11s):
I have one more question before I got a run, let’s hear it. Or do you think we’re too far gone when you have the intersection points? The points where if you, if you intercede, you can avert, you know, massive loss of life, chaos, whatever you think that we’re too far gone in knowing, knowing what you’ve seen over the years in Argentina and other countries, because I know that you follow Venezuelan and other countries.

2 (1h 17m 55s):
So, you know, I see, I think that there’s still, I mean, it is, I, I, David it’s a critical point because if this goes on it and we had the whole bowl of this, the election being overturned, it seems to, you know, thinner and thinner each, each passing day. But I think there’s, there’s still a chance of saving things, but EI and I know some people think we’re past that point. You know, I have no crystal ball here, but I, I always try to stay positive because I I’m just, you know, build that way. I try to stay positive and, and finding that that not only the, the glass half full, but even when they have just a few drops in that last lift, I, I still get go of it a while we have something to work with.

2 (1h 18m 46s):
I still think that I would say that it’s not a half empty half full situation at this point. It it’s a lot more empty than that. I like it to be, but there’s still something to work with here. If people get their act together and start fighting, you know, in every, in every front that they have available, you know, there’s still a ton of this, but there’s a lot to be said about what people were saying about this being the last time folks actually got to vote for real. That’s also a very real threat because that’s been the experience and our pleasure. So I still think there’s a way, and you know why I’m saying this? That I still think there’s a chance because it hasn’t been that long yet.

2 (1h 19m 30s):
It’s, this is just, just getting started in terms of them running things, as they’re going to be a rendering them right now being, being in charge and you having a, almost like a, a, a complete control, you know? So I think there’s still hope, or at least I tried. I’d like to think that,

4 (1h 19m 51s):
Well, we appreciate it. Dave Jones. I think Dave just signed off after your last poke at. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you gotta hold on to hope, right? There’s no, you can’t, you can’t give up, you know, and I’ll tell you what gives me hope, which is, I mean, I’m a Northeast guy too, from birth,

1 (1h 20m 9s):
And I know the beauty of the Northeast, and I know that a hell of the Northeast. And

4 (1h 20m 16s):
There’s something about seeing those guys get

1 (1h 20m 18s):
Fed up. That gives me hope. You know, there’s something about seeing the bar owners in New Jersey, raising hell the people in Philadelphia, raising hell over what’s going on that it’s,

4 (1h 20m 30s):
You know, because those people in, in

1 (1h 20m 33s):
Many circles, particularly where I live in the South have been so written off, you know what I mean? Like th that’s the Northeast it’s yeah. It is what it is. It will be blue forever, you know, to see, to see that kind of stuff happening.

4 (1h 20m 46s):
It really, it makes me feel like, you know, sort of the same way you would feel when you, when you see business owners in

1 (1h 20m 54s):
LA and in San Francisco saying, this

4 (1h 20m 56s):
Shit is crazy. You know what I mean? You go, Oh, okay. So there’s some sense there,

1 (1h 21m 1s):
Some sense happening, you know, in these places where, where you would otherwise say, you know, they’re just going to go along with whatever happens. So

4 (1h 21m 9s):
That, that always because when you,

1 (1h 21m 11s):
When you have those kinds of things happening in places with that kind of population density, then you can have an effect. You know, if, if you’ve got a little Southern city of, you know, 500,000 people or something like that,

4 (1h 21m 25s):
It’s good. And it’s great. It’s a great place to live, but if you can get it

1 (1h 21m 29s):
Or some kind of a movement stirring up there with 18 million people, you know, or, or whatever, a Philadelphia New York, that kind of thing. I mean that ripples across an entire nation. And, and it is a numbers game at the end of the day. You know, it really is. I mean, that’s what we were talking about earlier with bandwidth and being able to reach a certain amount of people. If you, you know,

4 (1h 21m 49s):
If you can infect a high pup,

1 (1h 21m 52s):
like that. And so you have people start going, you know what, this isn’t working and it’s not working because these people are in charge. And these people have been in charge for years and it’s never been good.

4 (1h 22m 3s):
You know, it doesn’t seem

1 (1h 22m 5s):
Like a, a huge stretch for people in Philadelphia to look at things like number one, the restrictions number to the murder rates in places like Philadelphia. And number three, the domination of Democrat leadership for four decades and go, I guess we probably should try

4 (1h 22m 21s):
Or something else. You know, it doesn’t happen, right. It doesn’t happen. And it happens

1 (1h 22m 26s):
And happened, but you know, this kind of poking and prodding at people’s livelihoods with COVID-19 could, could be something that turns people, you know, make some turncoats because of that. And it seems like when you affect their wallet and you affect their frigerator, that’s when Americans really, really make, make moves. Like I haven’t seen anything affect Americans probably since nine 11, the way that the grocery store shortages did this year. And out of all the things that happened this year, I don’t think anything moved the Americans as much as grocery stores being empty, you know? And there was a lot of stuff that happened this year, but I think that’s the one thing that really moved most people.

1 (1h 23m 9s):
So it’s a, you know, the American creatures have a weird one, but he’s definitely a rebellious one.

2 (1h 23m 17s):
Yeah. And it’s good. The idea of not putting up with things and a lot of folks that are voting with their feet are, or leaving these places where they just don’t have any, any hope. They see that these places are just always working against them. They’re, they’re never on their side ever there, or whatever projects you have, whatever ideas you have to, you know, improve your situation in part of all of this, you know, you always find an enemy with those in, in, in, in government, then people get fed up to leave. How many people have left places like California? It’s countless, they’re just leaving in mass, saved the same thing for New York.

2 (1h 23m 57s):
And I think they’re just going to be a very common for many of these blue States where people just get fed up. And if they start going way with, you know, w with new gun bans, in some States, don’t go along with it and, and just reject the idea. You’re going to be seeing more and more. That’s also something that at the end of the day, it’s going to be creating quite a bit of a, of a polarized situation across the country. And that is the kind of thing that a lot of people think will end up in a way, you know, the actual conflict of you have the kindness we’d like to avoid, but it is, it’s something that I’d say it’s quite hard to avoid at this point, having that kind of, of, of polarized a division between the, the, the, the people that want to live away.

2 (1h 24m 51s):
And those that want to have a new normal, you know, using covert words here, but some folks are not, are not going to be putting up with and a nurse and similar folks definitely want to make this. This is their final push. This is their last chance to get this a ideology that they have a bring it to reality. This is their moment. And they they’re just running with it. They’re not letting it go.

1 (1h 25m 19s):
You know, I’m on the fence about that. Fernando I really am. I, I, I am really on two as a Prepper right. And, and knowing the things that I know on a personal level, it makes perfect sense. You get the hell away from the madness. You go to the country, you start, you know, producing as much as your own food as possible. You get off grid if you can. But then there’s another side of the man that thinks that we’re going to look back and, and say that the biggest mistake that we made was abandoning these gigantic population centers, and instead of standing

4 (1h 26m 4s):
And fighting for that city or that, you know, the, the, the history and the, you know, because I, I think that they will get to a point a particularly if all the people, I mean, it’s only a matter of time if these, if, if the major cities in the nation are hemorrhaging good, a hardworking people who believe in Liberty and freedom.

2 (1h 26m 29s):
Absolutely. Yes. You know what I mean?

4 (1h 26m 30s):
And then they’re going to become hubs and they’re going to become there, going to become a problem. I mean, it’s not a problem that can have an effect. And I think what will happen is before the country splinters, in a way, like you’re talking about where there’s some kind of clear dividing line, I think the whole thing will just go blue and it could be a while before we fix that, you know, I really do. I get it. I don’t get me wrong and I’m not blaming anybody for leaving a bad situation for a better one. But I do think we’re going to look back and say, we should have stayed and we should have fought it out. And whatever that means is what we should have done, because I look at it like a country, like, like almost like a South American sort of situation, you know, I, I, for years, I’ve always worried about South American countries with, with the dramatic migration of people North, I would say, you know, man, I don’t know how to these places ever get better.

4 (1h 27m 27s):
If all the quality people keep coming to us, like how does a place get better like that? And now let’s say you get in my way.

2 (1h 27m 35s):
That’s absolutely true. Because I mean, I have a perfect example of that. I, I just, and you know what, man, it’s tough. It’s one of those things that it’s not easy because on one hand, as you said, and I I’ve been accused by this by a lot of my, my, my, my country folk. And yeah. You know, what, if all, if, if all of us leave, who’s left here. So I try to, I don’t blame people for, for staying for going, because there’s people that, and I get this all the time messages from folks that, Hey, man, I just want to leave, but I have my family here. And, you know, I would mission a lot.

2 (1h 28m 17s):
So, and there’s also folks that say, if we all leave, who’s going to be left. As you fight the good fight, make a change in such at the same time. I want to live life while I still have it. You know, I don’t want to, I don’t want to have my kids go through that. I don’t want to have my kids to not be able to, you know, walk freely without, you know, fear of, of, of getting shot for, you know, their sneakers or whatever’s in their wallet. So I find myself in that position as well. And I, I think I can do a good from my, you know, from my place by doing what I do. I think it’s, it’s, it’s my contribution to this without being in a, in a, in a way, I mean, man, for so long, I felt that I was not living.

2 (1h 29m 7s):
I was just miserable because anything that I wanted to do was, you know, you can’t go here because it’s dangerous. Eh, no, you cannot buy this because it just makes you a target because it’s, and, and always postponing life, always having my, you know, with like when you’re watching a movie and you, and you hit pause, I had my life in pause. I was always waiting until I could actually LIVE again. And that was the reason why I ended up leaving. I just couldn’t stand it anymore. And it have Stan also the, the, the tension of always being on guard, because you never know when you are going to be getting shot when you’re going to be getting mugged, that just you’ll miss this with you.

2 (1h 29m 52s):
But if everyone leaves, who’s going to be left to change things. So I completely see that as well, man. It is a super personal decision and everyone has to make, make their own. I believe that that’s the way I think when I look back, when you’re talking right now, I thought you were gone. In fact, I’m leaving now for real, but this is how it do what’s best for your family, for your wellbeing.

2 (1h 30m 33s):
Okay. Yeah.

4 (1h 30m 34s):
You know, here’s where I get tangled up in that. Okay. This is where this is where I’d get tangled up in that number. Well, there’s two, there’s two things. There’s two parts. Okay. Number one is generation in order for us to be here, right? Generations of men have marched willingly to their death. And I don’t just mean on the battlefield, right? I mean, to get where we are today, it took generations of men to say, I work in the coal mine, and I’m going to work in a coal mine every day until I’m dead from black lung. And that’s my life. And there’s more there that unfortunately is not favorable.

4 (1h 31m 17s):
All right, this is not like, you know what a great life, but this is how we got where we are today. There, there are more generations of people who did that. This is the job that I do, and I do it so we can eat and it will kill me. And that’s the end of it. You know? And I don’t sit up at night going, God, I wish I could play polo on the weekends in shit. You know, nobody thought that way. And I think that’s how we wound up where we’re at. So, so what makes me nervous is the counter of that, right? The antithesis of that is how good can my life be? It can be real good if I run away from everything. You know what I mean? And what makes me most nervous about that is yes, my kids are gonna love it.

4 (1h 32m 3s):
What are their, kids’ going to have to deal with what or their kids’ kids’ going to have to deal with. If we move away, the cities go to shit. And then, you know, the, the, the cancer spreads further and further, and we finally do hit a serious economic collapse because I wonder, you know, what’s worse. Is it worse for a child to, is it worse for a child to have a rough childhood and to build adversity through living through what kids in the cities are living through now and come out on the other end saying, you know what, my childhood sucked, but I want to make a change now because of it or to say it was really good.

4 (1h 32m 45s):
I had a really great child,

2 (1h 32m 48s):
But I have an answer for that. I ha I have the answer for that because I experienced that with my kids. My oldest kid grew up in a, in a, as rough. I mean, he wasn’t in primary school and he had a kid that I wanted to stab him. And he had to be the crap out of him. So has to defend himself from a kid with a knife when he was like 10 years old. So it doesn’t get a lot rougher and tougher than a kid like that. And my oldest kid is like that. He’s, he’s a pretty, a pretty rugged, a two year old at this time. My, my middle kid grew up in a very different reality.

2 (1h 33m 28s):
You know, living up in a, in you pretty much ideal safe environment, then you know what, honestly, I don’t want to put my kids through that because it could have easily been the other way I could have easily ended up with a kid stabbed to death and sure. Isn’t does it make you tougher? Absolutely. It does make you tougher. Is it always good to go through crap that makes you tougher? I think you can certainly get to be tough without yeah, you can be, you can be very strong if you don’t have to deal with or you know, something else. Is she seeing the poverty line that I saw or seeing a poor kid, the kids eating out the garbage.

2 (1h 34m 12s):
Does that make you feel your heart, your heart, you know, the colder. I know you maybe tougher. Maybe you were a little bit tougher, but it sucks to see that it’s such LIVE that way. You know, I,

4 (1h 34m 30s):
I agree with you. I’m definitely, I’m definitely not. Go ahead.

2 (1h 34m 35s):
Yeah. So at the same time, it’s what, what are the conclusion I came up with was 55 or 56 or whatever percent of the country voted for that. They wanted to go with the Kami. Ted’s going to be promising. They want to do, to go with, with a revolutionary, a commie leader. That’s, what’s going to be promising them, handouts and corruption and all of that. And they got what they wanted and they never wanted this. So why is it that I have to put up with all of you wanted this, or at least I bet that’s a significant majority. Wanted it. It’s like 50 something percent to 60% one at this.

2 (1h 35m 16s):
So do I have to put up with it myself when they never wanted this? You got what you want it, you have to deal with it and go through the tough medicine. That’s going to be coming along with it. I was not planning on putting my life there in the line and, and suffering it along with them because like, I, I never signed up for that. Well, that’s a very good point. I never, I don’t judge people. If you stay, you go away. I’ve learned what are the things I’ve learned is if you can’t judge people for those decisions, but at least that’s been the one I made. That’s a very good book.

4 (1h 35m 56s):
We were on the same when people were marching to their death, either by work or by war, we were all essentially on the same page. You know, it wasn’t like the guy who worked in the coal mine had set himself up by voting for a certain candidate to live that kind of a lifestyle. That was just what was available for the average American person to do. So your, your point about you decided to turn Philadelphia into a trash can and you’ve done it successfully for 20 years and that’s what you have to live in it. Yeah. I mean, there’s, that’s a good point.

4 (1h 36m 37s):
That’s a very good point. I appreciate that. Dave, you sound like you were about to say something, even though you’re not.

2 (1h 36m 44s):
Yeah. And I’m not here when you’re, when your son was going to be nice. Okay. Where would you even be able to move? Because there’s, there’s some people in a city and stuff like that. They’re not going to be able to move, look all that.

4 (1h 37m 8s):
No, we are a lot, lots of people who aren’t able to move in cities. I mean, how many, what’s the percentage of people on public housing? They’re not going anywhere. You know,

2 (1h 37m 19s):
You’re, you’re stuck. Yeah. You’re, you’re stuck. They’re where you are. Look, w w when this happened, there was a kid school. I wanted to talk to the principal of the school and explain the situation because this had been going on for a while. And my son was telling me, look, I there’s this kid threatening us with a knife. And they talked with the principal and she was, well, he only brings that nice as the appeal fruit for lunch. And that was, are you kidding me? How are you really kidding me? And I realized, you know, there, there was nothing left to do there. So I taught my kid about how to defend himself. And he did so successfully. And then I got a call from the principal and she said, you know what?

2 (1h 38m 1s):
Your kid missed up this, this, this, our kids is face. And she brought, she brought the, the kid with a knife and is it, look, look how you look what he did to him. And I try to play down saying, Oh, it’s just kids. It’s your boys being boys. You know, the, the typical nonsense of, of playing it down like that, that had reached in general. And, and I mean, there’s plated that were a lot worse than my son’s school. My son was going to a pretty good school compared to some of the risks, but that’s the kind of society that you are left with that as a society where a principal will tell you, yeah, I keep it with a knife.

2 (1h 38m 48s):
It’s not something that concerns as a whole lot. You just peel an apples, feeling apples with it,

1 (1h 38m 54s):
Appealing apples and third graders with it. That’s all.

2 (1h 39m 4s):
Go ahead. And we went to w we were lucky. And, you know, I mean, that was just one more drop in the bucket. What really concerned us was, was the violence on the street that the crime you, you just never know. And you just never knew when we, you were going to be getting shot. And my greatest fear was one day, I’m going to be regretting, not leaving sooner because this, this was a story I saw the time. And again, people that were thinking about leaving and the only left after, after the lost a child or something horrible happening in a home invasion or someone got shot. And that was always something in the back of my head. I’m going to be waiting too long and regretting not leaving in time.

2 (1h 39m 47s):
So we hurried up and left. When, when we saw that things were not changing, actually we left after the last election of, of Christina killed. And then when she walked by a big majority, we decided, okay, that’s it. After this election, she went to get, they want to keep doing this, Kayla. We’re not, we’re not putting up with it anymore.

1 (1h 40m 9s):
Yeah. I think I’m just ready for some success. I’m ready for some, some, you know what I mean? I’m ready for some success in America. I want to see some, some success on the right. And, and some things happened that were all happy about, and I know we just had a Trump presidency, but you know, it was, it was a, it was a diff well, it was a lot like what you were talking about with your candidate at the time, it was a complete total defensive posture. And, you know, the man still was able to move through some incredible things, both in the nation and in the world, but yeah, I’m ready for a revival of Liberty in the nation. That’s, that’s it. And you know, there’s, unfortunately there’s no easy path, you know?

1 (1h 40m 54s):

2 (1h 40m 55s):
Yeah, yeah. Sometimes these are hard lessons that have to be learned and there’s no other way.

1 (1h 41m 2s):
Yeah. And I think you’re right. I think the young, the young people who are voting these people into power, we’re going to have to suffer, like you said, suffer for their, their decisions. Yeah. They’ll look back on college and hate it. They’ll say, Oh God, I can’t believe I fell for that. They’ll well, I mean, but then again, you see that and you say, what has changed really over time has anything really changed over time, the young make poor decisions, they grow up and they become conservative and understand their mistakes as you know what I mean? And, and, you know, that’s kind of a story of a time, really, if you think about it, but what else we got guys, we’re going on two hours here, anything else, Jordan, you got anything in the, in the revolver over there.

1 (1h 41m 53s):
And it has been a great conversation. No doubt about it or not, but you Fernando or anything on your plate you want to get into,

2 (1h 42m 4s):
Look it it’s, I just don’t want to leave people with this idea of hopelessness and everything is horrible. You know, staying positive, focusing all the things you can actually do. Some of the The the good things that you can get going, you know, focus mostly on that. And I think that in general, it really hasn’t reached the level of, of Venezuela where you really have to get yourself a plane ticket, get out of there because the situation is hopeless. I talk with a guy from Minnesota for my Spanish channel, that the guy, you know, it very interesting. I also have Prepper and he was telling me the story of how his friends, he, he tells me if I don’t know I’m alone because my friends have either been chilled or have left, you know?

2 (1h 42m 55s):
And you guys set is not in that position, although it’s, it’s very concerning where things are right now, but it’s not in that position yet. But it’s also true that you have to see a very much aware because this guy, for example, he had over a year worth of food and he thought was socialist one. When, when Chavez, first one, he thought, well, this is going to be just four years there going to be doing such a poor job as a government. They’re going to be messing up so bad and doing such a poor job. They’re never going to be winning an election ever again. You know?

2 (1h 43m 35s):
Exactly. So he was so he, he says, he, he told me I was so wrong. I thought that they were going to be losing because we’re going to be doing everything wrong and it will never win again. And in fact, the opposite happened. They never left. They won. And 20 years later, 20 years later, they’re still in power and destroying the country more and more each passing year.

4 (1h 44m 2s):
No doubt about it. No doubt about it

2 (1h 44m 5s):
To be, I thought you were giving us some hope here 21 years by the name. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Fernando okay. Because he’s living a good day. You can come on the other side

4 (1h 44m 28s):
Point. Yeah, yeah. Come out the other side and teach people how to survive.

2 (1h 44m 35s):
Look, you, you still have a long way to go. And th this, this may be the first year of, of this ju just please don’t wait, 20 years, 20 years will be just too long, but there’s there’s there that they couldn’t use this the 20 years I’ve not passed yet. So there’s a chance of, of trying to reverse this. Eh, the next time you, you get it, you get the opportunity.

4 (1h 45m 3s):
All right. Tell us about the books again. Fernando before we let you go and where we can get to a YouTube channel and all that stuff.

2 (1h 45m 9s):
Sure. My channel is called the Mars survival list. It’s in, and of course on YouTube under that name Marsh survivalist, and my books are the most revival manuals surviving. The economy collapsed. My latest book is called three survival skills. Both of which are available in Amazon.

4 (1h 45m 27s):
Awesome. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of us, you know, our stuff out here, not a lot of us who live through a PBM family. So, you know, if you’re looking at some things to the library for the holiday season, or if you want a new person to check out on a regular basis through YouTube, Fernando highly recommended by Dave Jones, the NBC guy, and really highly recommended by everybody. Who’s talk to him and heard him speak. So Fernando, we thanks to you so much for coming on, man. This has been an awesome conversation. No doubt about it.

2 (1h 46m 0s):
Thank you so much for having me. Thanks to David is a fantastic guy and to have all the respect and the world for him. So thanks you David as well and have a chat with you again and, and thanks everyone for further, you know, for being here and, and, and, and chatting.

4 (1h 46m 19s):
All right, my friend have a good night. We do appreciate it. Listen, folks barrel Tuesday tomorrow night, don’t forget it. And then the next generation Patriot power hour and a, if you are really depressed, which you shouldn’t be, but if you are feeling really depressed on the I M Liberty show this week, we are going to do a, a full podcast on the greatness of humanity. That is exactly what we’re going to talk about this Wednesday. And in my, in my, my mission, as, as whatever the Intrepid commander hear to try to get everybody’s spirits up, at least for the holidays, we’re going to focus on the greatness of humanity.

4 (1h 47m 2s):
But I think that might be a way for us team. Go ahead and Jordan, I didn’t hear you.

3 (1h 47m 8s):
You know, we all know you have to change that title because whatever you title it, that’s not what the show’s about. You know, I’m going to do my best to stay on top of that, but

4 (1h 47m 18s):
I’m pretty hyped up on this one. So I’m getting her up.

3 (1h 47m 21s):
You too.

4 (1h 47m 26s):
All right. PBN family. That’s Preppers. LIVE good. Another great one, one of my favorite shows Preppers LIVE Mondays when you can catch him. All right, hold on. Let me check real quick. Yeah. The 14th, next Monday, we’re going to have the author of the Prepper and sponsor here at PBN. Carl Ady Brown on to talk about his book among other things. So we will be LIVE next Monday with Preppers LIVE and some contingent of the PBN hosts will be here as well. All right. So look forward to talking to you then, and we’ll talk soon.

6 (1h 48m 3s):
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